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176. I'm seeing 2conflicting points: 1) no appetite, no bipartisan support. & 2)They don't need a reason

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:51 PM

Jun 2014

I agree that they don't need a reason. I disagree that there is no appetite, since the only thing that has stopped ISSA and the various loonies and 'Baggers is that they haven't, up to now, been able to overcome the rest of the Rethugs outright, which they MIGHT do with all the Gerrymandered districts.

You make it sound that Bill and WEINER and EDWARDS gave *no* openings at all for blowing things up (further). I'm not here to re-defend Bill, I had my fill of that, believe me (I did not defend WEINER/EDWARDS), and not here to re-argue the Bill CLINTON situation.

Speaking for me, it is simply one criteria, along with electability and relatability, I will take into consideration in picking my choice of Dem candidate whether that person's behavior will add distraction to the mix, which will drain our energies over to JUST DEFENDING him or her away from working on our Dem agenda. This is quite separate from whether wingnuts make up scandals and blow things up.

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Elizabeth Warren, Not Hillary Clinton, Should Be the Next President of the United States [View all] monmouth3 Jun 2014 OP

K&R.. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #1

I agree. But, I would definitely vote for Clinton if she becomes the nominee. nt ladjf Jun 2014 #2

+1 Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #6

I hope Warren runs, I'm not anxious to vote again while holding my nose. NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #15

This is more a function of the lack of ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #55

People need to completly read this artical to understand... Rockyj Jun 2014 #218

She Just Lost My Vote billhicks76 Jun 2014 #226

I'd like her to run mimi85 Jun 2014 #219

Depends. What is her stance on Iraq... Now? grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #92

That's a good point. I voted for Obama over Clinton because ladjf Jun 2014 #96

Hillary voted for Iraq and continued to vote to fund while in the Senate. That is why I did not sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #121

And years later, continued denying that she had anything to apologize for. closeupready Jun 2014 #150

Yes. I frankly have no idea how anyone who supported this horrific crime can sleep at night. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #237

clinton lied in her position on iraq. tomp Jun 2014 #234

I'd go with the former. Hillary is highly intelligent, no doubt. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #252

Precisely. Send Bush and "His Brain" Rove over there - they broke it, let them fix it. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #251

Hillary's waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before expousing the Third Way position. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #168

She is Third Way tavalon Jun 2014 #178

Warren had it easy during her Senatorial race? Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #201

Her opponent handed it to her in the end, but no, I didn't mean it that way at all tavalon Jun 2014 #257

To be honest, after Hillary's shaky rollout this week, she's the one who needs seasoning. Elizabeth's the one who could teach her a thing or two. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #205

It's not Warren after Hillary. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #215

Clinton isn't a lock and Warren say she isn't running wyldwolf Jun 2014 #3

Warren has NEVER said that she's not running in 2016. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #5

Warren Has My Vote billhicks76 Jun 2014 #16

"I'm not running for president and I plan to serve out my term" wyldwolf Jun 2014 #34

"I plan to serve out my term" pscot Jun 2014 #53

Not a pledge? Oh, I left off part of the quote wyldwolf Jun 2014 #56

Hillary isn't running for president either pscot Jun 2014 #60

correct wyldwolf Jun 2014 #65

She WOULD pledge? So, apparently, she hasn't pledged YET. Some wiggle room there. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #169

LOL. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #179

Have you read Elizabeth Warren's book? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #217

I have it but haven't begun reading it. Perhaps you can quote the relevant pages. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #231

Writing a book is a good indicator that she's thinking about it... Hippo_Tron Jun 2014 #248

The "I'm not running for president" part seems clear enough. -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #58

if that's not a pledge I don't know what is. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #98

We are headed into a debate on the meaning of "is." Orsino Jun 2014 #258

You have a point. It's probably a little of both. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #260

Nevertheless, the country NEEDS her. Or a Warren clone. closeupready Jun 2014 #139

Now there's an understatement. I think Elizabeth would be responsive to a draft movement demanding that she run. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #170

Quite possibly but it doesn't matter on a fundamental level. Build the movement and someone will TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #241

The country needs her in congress shaayecanaan Jun 2014 #222

Warren tends to be a woman of her word and she doesn't tend to use weasily words tavalon Jun 2014 #181

Why is it so very important to continue to say over and over and over that Sen Warren isnt running? rhett o rick Jun 2014 #185

Apparently "we all" DON'T know what she said. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #188

Actually, I saw a link someone provided where she did Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #61

She's still a politician, and with politicians NOTHING is set in stone. Dawgs Jun 2014 #114

Of course. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #116

If that's the best you've got, Clinton can start measuring the White House for drapes Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #112

We'll see. Dawgs Jun 2014 #113

You'd think the election was next week CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #9

Can we get past the 2014 midterms Gothmog Jun 2014 #157

If Wendy Davis wins... Cheviteau Jun 2014 #165

There are a number of people working like crazy so that you can do so Gothmog Jun 2014 #194

Welcome to DU, Cheviteau! calimary Jun 2014 #211

Spot on and thank you! n/t truedelphi Jun 2014 #163

saying you are not running (now) does not preclude magical thyme Jun 2014 #14

"I'm not running for president and I plan to serve out my term" wyldwolf Jun 2014 #38

"I am not running for president. I am not running for president in four years... corkhead Jun 2014 #73

what's your point? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #78

No need to get defensive. I am agreeing with you and further adding by example corkhead Jun 2014 #79

I'm not being defensive. Sorry If I appeared to be wyldwolf Jun 2014 #85

My sentiments exactly. On a gut level.... I am just not feeling that zonkers Jun 2014 #224

I will certainly vote for CLINTON if she is the nominee, but the big lesson of Bill CLINTON was: UTUSN Jun 2014 #4

Clinton was a target for behavior that other Presidents had always gotten away with. pnwmom Jun 2014 #20

Other presidents did not publicly humiliate their wives on an international scale. Divernan Jun 2014 #99

The media covered up for other Presidents so that the wives weren't humiliated. pnwmom Jun 2014 #100

That was my point! Divernan Jun 2014 #106

Yeh, it was the Big Lie stretched over a very long time. Whisp Jun 2014 #164

don't kid yourself. Whitewater was a republlican invention blown into a sex scandal bigtree Jun 2014 #24

All of us Dems have plenty of experience in defending, to the point of fatigue UTUSN Jun 2014 #124

I'm sorry, the only difference I see is that there's little appetite for that anymore bigtree Jun 2014 #130

I'm seeing 2conflicting points: 1) no appetite, no bipartisan support. & 2)They don't need a reason UTUSN Jun 2014 #176

it was a bogus reason and the public and legislators let them know that bigtree Jun 2014 #189

This will get some chonies in a bunch. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #7

And Hillary CAN SO do "poignant." (channeling Bob Boudelang) Divernan Jun 2014 #57

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #8

I would say the person whom earns the most votes deserves to be the next President. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #10

I totally agree! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #11

Let me clarify that if HRC gets the nom then she gets my vote. Cruz or whomever they put up is a no monmouth3 Jun 2014 #12

Corporate Democrats and Republicans are ushering in fascism. woo me with science Jun 2014 #13

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jun 2014 #47

I could not agree more. zeemike Jun 2014 #63

You are not a true Democrat unless you are for ALL Democrats corkhead Jun 2014 #82

I couldn't agree more! Raksha Jun 2014 #144

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2014 #146

the more a party is destroyed and emptied of actual policy, the MORE they "wave the bloody MisterP Jun 2014 #148

right on the money! Howler Jun 2014 #166

Should and could aren't the same thing. pnwmom Jun 2014 #17

It's being built for her. It's called grass-roots populism, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #27

Please share with us... brooklynite Jun 2014 #117

Exactly! n/t Raksha Jun 2014 #182

Uncle Joe Biden should be the next President of the United States lululu Jun 2014 #18

Would that be the same Joe Biden Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #22

We are not stupid. We know Biden's record already. Of course he is not perfect as no politician is. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #103

Biden ushered in the new Bankruptcy Bill. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #119

Ultimately, that is the primary reason I can't support him. closeupready Jun 2014 #141

I think it's ludicrous to suggest that Biden is a Democrat in name only. totodeinhere Jun 2014 #160

K&R.. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #23

The Senator from WalMart. bvar22 Jun 2014 #140

Yes. Definetly to me Hillary is nothing more than DINO. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #143

You would win the bet. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #147

I seem to recall Biden also voted for the IWR. Metric System Jun 2014 #26

As did Clinton of course. But in a way that charge in unfair since we don't know totodeinhere Jun 2014 #105

Biden championed the Bankruptcy bill tha so pissed Warren off MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #29

if scumbaggery is the qualification reddread Jun 2014 #94

I'm waiting to see if Warren can get others to follow her in the Senate aikoaiko Jun 2014 #19

She got unanimous Democratic support Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #66

Yes, I look forward to seeing if she can get it done. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #89

well, yeah bigtree Jun 2014 #21

I think she has spoken out on the critical fundamental issues that many Dems avoid... cascadiance Jun 2014 #107

well, she has the economics down bigtree Jun 2014 #118

Economics is the linchpin and fundamentals of politics and by function cannot be a small TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #239

She understood the financial crisis better than just about all pols before Obama was elected... cascadiance Jun 2014 #262

I wouldn't call this supporting Hillary Mnpaul Jun 2014 #212

Except for those pesky voters that get in the way MyNameGoesHere Jun 2014 #25

What? libodem Jun 2014 #67

Sanders-Warren or Warren-Sanders Omaha Steve Jun 2014 #28

Damn Right! PeoViejo Jun 2014 #37

That would give me hope for my country again. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #41

+10000 MissDeeds Jun 2014 #54

Ether way would please the hell out of me. zeemike Jun 2014 #69

I really like the Sanders- part Shemp Howard Jun 2014 #84

As much as I love my Senator, and my Senator to the North Fred Friendlier Jun 2014 #125

Ab. So. Fucking. Lute. Ly. closeupready Jun 2014 #142

An all northeastern ticket. aquart Jun 2014 #198

surely, the dem party can do better than run h. clinton for prez KG Jun 2014 #30

the party doesn't vote, individuals vote, individuals run for office bigtree Jun 2014 #43

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2014 #31

Unfortunately, the majority of Americans are not educated enough to elect her. EEO Jun 2014 #32

Not without executive experience and proficiency on foreign policy question everything Jun 2014 #33

HUH? moonbeam23 Jun 2014 #48

No I think her gender is a plus. zeemike Jun 2014 #72

I don't think that her biggest hurdle is her gender. After all Clinton is also a women and that totodeinhere Jun 2014 #108

Yes, but what is his legacy? question everything Jun 2014 #167

It will never happen again. joshcryer Jun 2014 #204

Warren before Hillary... Javaman Jun 2014 #35

Warren has to run first smallcat88 Jun 2014 #36

Do the math moonbeam23 Jun 2014 #52

We've had plenty of old white men smallcat88 Jun 2014 #59

At age 75? After the US experience w/Reagan's senility/Alzheimers? Divernan Jun 2014 #101

That's what Nader said in 2000 and that worked out so well. pnwmom Jun 2014 #102

If all anyone ever thinks about is Hillary Hillary Hillary SheilaT Jun 2014 #39

Well stated! See my link below re Warren already outpolls Clinton. Divernan Jun 2014 #51

I am sometimes mean enough SheilaT Jun 2014 #62

I've lived in Chicago, Baltimore, Milwaukee, LA, Sacramento & Florida Divernan Jun 2014 #74

What's a 'retirement'? daleanime Jun 2014 #68

Good point. I'm a senior, senior citizen. Divernan Jun 2014 #75

I endlessly agree witg thus Op. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #40

From link-WARREN POLLS AHEAD OF HRC & any potential GOP rival Divernan Jun 2014 #42

But that poll is not a presidential poll. Get back to us when there is a poll totodeinhere Jun 2014 #110

& you get back to us after HRC declares! Divernan Jun 2014 #122

Well Warren hasn't declared either but that doesn't stop people from pushing her. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #156

She will blow any corporatist away. woo me with science Jun 2014 #255

k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #44

Well Elizabeth Warren has said workinclasszero Jun 2014 #45

She's speaking in the present tense. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #71

She has my support jopacaco Jun 2014 #46

Kick for EW. Scuba Jun 2014 #49

So if Sen. Warren is for real AHEAD mylye2222 Jun 2014 #50

Works for me... KansDem Jun 2014 #64

If it's Hillary vs Elizabeth Warren in the primaries, I will vote for Hillary. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #70

Why I Don't Want Warren hollowdweller Jun 2014 #76

Populist Message? raindaddy Jun 2014 #91

HRC is a LOSS..period. BrainDrain Jun 2014 #77

she would nt had mine if i could vote either mylye2222 Jun 2014 #81

"Remember who first that nonsense Obama is Muslim thing...." Who? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #87

I'd support Warren. HRC is too busy... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #80

Dropped in and saw this. K&R. mmonk Jun 2014 #83

No Glaisne Jun 2014 #86

Yeah, sure, whatever......... Beacool Jun 2014 #88

2016 will be difficult, but I still think we will win. StevieM Jun 2014 #131

Your first sentence says it all, even without the name Huckabee in it (i doubt he runs) 7962 Jun 2014 #207

When your best options are Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker and Chris Christie StevieM Jun 2014 #208

Lean Left! Gamecock Lefty Jun 2014 #90

What position is Hillary currently holding to be in a pisition of announcing where she is on any Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #93

Yes. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #95

While I like Warren's economic platform ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #97

I was thinking the same thing myself. Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #183

yes yes yes... mike_c Jun 2014 #104

Too bad Elizabeth Warren disagrees with you... brooklynite Jun 2014 #109

Maybe is she afraid by the Clinton team and all the dirty tricks they are able mylye2222 Jun 2014 #111

I can't decide if you're just too ignorant to know better bigtree Jun 2014 #123

So Elizabeth Warren ISN'T a fearless new fighting force for progressive ideals? brooklynite Jun 2014 #126

its rather a mattee of caving than of self pr�servation. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #133

I've never criticized anyone for -not- supporting Clinton... brooklynite Jun 2014 #153

And the reasons why Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #135

"Why, on a progressive board such as this, is it even a contest" brooklynite Jun 2014 #151

Warren is very shrewd, watch her, you will see. Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #190

You're welcome to dream about a Warren candidacy... brooklynite Jun 2014 #192

Our only hope is that this means that HC has privately confided in EW that she's going rogue. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #238

If we keep voting for Wall Street puppets, Democrats will continue to nominate Wall Street puppets. fbc Jun 2014 #115

K&R. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #120

Since Warren will not be running by her own accord and IF Hillary becomes the nominee... liberal N proud Jun 2014 #127

Third left parties. like Greens or Sanders party. ... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #136

And you WILL get a republican/teabagger President liberal N proud Jun 2014 #161

NOminate Hillary, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #171

America has a lot of problems Utopian Leftist Jun 2014 #128

you have to run to be elected awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #129

Perhaps. But she's not running. KamaAina Jun 2014 #132

Agree. DrBulldog Jun 2014 #134

COMPLETELY agree. closeupready Jun 2014 #137

I'm all in if she runs cpamomfromtexas Jun 2014 #138

The nice thing about being a Democrat is that all of our potential nominees are better than ANYTHING pampango Jun 2014 #145

Really? Are Clinton and Romney really that far apart? I don't think so. fbc Jun 2014 #149

It sounds like Romney wants to run again. You may get (another?) chance to vote for him. pampango Jun 2014 #154

i presume she is a person of her word MFM008 Jun 2014 #152

Nooooo Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #206

What a "job"... Always under attack from all sides 24/7, 364.25/4 or 8... Amonester Jun 2014 #155

Yes, and in their dream world the person who has almost null experience in politics Beacool Jun 2014 #174

K & R AzDar Jun 2014 #158

I'll probably vote for Hillary Android3.14 Jun 2014 #159

Unicorns for YOU, and YOU, and YOU! UNICORNS FOR EVERYBODY!!!! Metric System Jun 2014 #162

I wish she would run too LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #172

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2014 #173

I Agree 100% supercats Jun 2014 #175

Well, yeah, but it's not going to happen tavalon Jun 2014 #177

She has a lot more flexibility in the senate loyalsister Jun 2014 #180

Rep. Barbara Lee is my first choice Dems to Win Jun 2014 #184

I see no path to a nationwide victory in a general election for Elizabeth Warren. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #186

Let's be practical. We need a tough President and Elizabeth Warren is too new and untested. TiredOfNo Jun 2014 #187

Warren needs to be on the economic team of the White House where she'll be better able to do stuff SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #191

I'd rather have Warren than Clinton bigwillq Jun 2014 #193

Firmly agree Pharaoh Jun 2014 #195

She's trying to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act that Clinton eliminated. ozone_man Jun 2014 #196

I'll vote HRC for the sake of the SCOTUS MirrorAshes Jun 2014 #197

Pres. Hillary R Clinton 2016! c588415 Jun 2014 #199

I agree. I do not trust Clinton to be anything but a puppet of the 1% & corporations emsimon33 Jun 2014 #200

I'm skeptical, she was a Republican during the Reagan era, and many of her boosters seem to also Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #202

Why aren't Warren supporters demanding answers to these questions? Metric System Jun 2014 #210

Warren has answered them Mnpaul Jun 2014 #213

I'm specifically referring to social issues, not financial issues. Metric System Jun 2014 #228

Bogus non responsive 'answers' like that make my case, not yours. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #232

Maybe you could point out Mnpaul Jun 2014 #235

John Kerry in his first year in the senate introduced a bill banning discrimination JI7 Jun 2014 #249

I've thought about all that too, and it's the main reason I support a Sanders/Warren ticket Raksha Jun 2014 #221

That was also 30 years ago. So much time. chrisa Jun 2014 #242

Too early for me to say Babel_17 Jun 2014 #203

I like Warren but her lack of executive experience leaves her short ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #209

shes not running MFM008 Jun 2014 #214

She is on top of my list defacto7 Jun 2014 #216

Absolutely. But I will vote vote for Hillary if she gets the nod. There's not one GOP candidate I... marble falls Jun 2014 #220

She Lost My Vote Ray McGovern billhicks76 Jun 2014 #227

I agree, Hillary voted with W more often than some Republicans. That said, Romney vs Hillary? .... marble falls Jun 2014 #233

If We Nominate Her billhicks76 Jun 2014 #243

Ray McGovern was not thrown out of the room by Hillary's people. Beacool Jun 2014 #236

She Didn't Stop Her Speech billhicks76 Jun 2014 #244

Yep. A true populist. southerncrone Jun 2014 #223

Clinton/Cuomo 2016 blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #225

Can't...Constitution says Pres and VP have to be from different States. brooklynite Jun 2014 #247

I would vote for either. riversedge Jun 2014 #229

IMO unless we can arrange a major shakeup in who controls congress it wont matter who cstanleytech Jun 2014 #230

Agreed and k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #240

K&R 99Forever Jun 2014 #245

Dennis Kucinich, and neither of them, should be the next president of the United States. flvegan Jun 2014 #246

I dont think Warren can muster a majority. fireflysky46 Jun 2014 #250

Warren/Feingold Vattel Jun 2014 #253

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #254

I want to see a Warren / Sanders or Sanders / Warren ticket. Initech Jun 2014 #256

I think it depends on who runs and wins the primary justiceischeap Jun 2014 #259

Hillary Dickory Dock! Unca Adverse Jun 2014 #261