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2. Well that seems logical to me, elleng, if the Iraqi People are open to the idea.

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Should Iraq be Divided Into Three Nations? [View all] Uncle Joe Jun 2014 OP

You and Joe Biden (more or less.) elleng Jun 2014 #1

Well that seems logical to me, elleng, if the Iraqi People are open to the idea. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #2

Yes, Joe. elleng Jun 2014 #3

Actually, Peter Galbraith is the person who initiated that and cali Jun 2014 #62

The Kurds would probably prefer Kirkuk to be their capital. Kaleva Jun 2014 #4

That might simplify matters, only needing to divide Baghdad in to two instead of three. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #5

Yes. n/t jaysunb Jun 2014 #6

Biden wanted to divide it into three autonomous regions aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #7

It seems to me trying to force people with so much enmity toward one another to be one nation Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #11

He was attacked from more places than the right. elleng Jun 2014 #16

Yes, I remember that. It might have been possible, but difficult. Maybe better than the chaos now. northoftheborder Jun 2014 #34

Yes I've felt that way for years....... Takket Jun 2014 #8

Exactly TexasBushwhacker Jun 2014 #10

There in lies the rub....3 distinct groups of people ...2 major oil fields... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #31

The one's with the most strength ... oldhippie Jun 2014 #72

I believe that will involve difficult negotiations but it will be far easier Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #13

- Takket Jun 2014 #14

if that's what it will take to having the best chance for lasting peace JI7 Jun 2014 #9

Probably.. sendero Jun 2014 #12

Does anyone supporting this know anything about partitions? They get very bloody. fujiyama Jun 2014 #15

The way I see it, we have two choices, do as you suggest and just let the people fight over Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #17

Thanks for responding so nicely, Joe. elleng Jun 2014 #18

Peace to you, elleng. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #19

It'll most likely be fragmented anyways fujiyama Jun 2014 #51

It will probably take more than one facilitator. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #55

I suppose it is worth a diplomatic effort to get various represenatives to sit down fujiyama Jun 2014 #58

The way I see it, this lack of secular leadership is all the more reason Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #60

My god....first she is "unlikeable" and the twofer "she makes Joe Biden looks bright" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #36

"To most of them religion comes first, family comes second, tribe comes third." Stereotype much? pampango Jun 2014 #66

Fuck, I don't know. I'm not Iraqi. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #20

We wouldn't be "telling them" we would be facilitating negotiations between the major parties Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #22

I'm sure if they decided on a neutral third party to facilate negotiations it would be anybody else. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #23

If that's what it takes, I'm all for it. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #26

Why don't we just get out - for real this time - and see if it happens? rug Jun 2014 #21

If the Iraqi's could negotiate a satisfactory division, both geographical and political Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #24

I doubt it. But the key word there is "satisfactory". rug Jun 2014 #27

Satisfactory could also be separate nations entirely, and if they want to join up with Iran or Syria Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #32

I wish them luck. rug Jun 2014 #33

Some possible results: brooklynite Jun 2014 #25

Re: scenarios 1 and 2, I don't care, if that's what the people want, let them have it. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #29

Turkey will not permit a Kurdistan Peregrine Jun 2014 #28

Not up to us lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #30

It's partially up to us but ultimately up to the people of Iraq. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #35

the same problem remains....3 distinct peoples....2 major oil fields.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #37

Oil fields can be negotiated along with borders and access to the gulf. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #39

hmmm we shall see.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #42

If I am not mistaken these groups were put together as a nation by outsiders not all that long ago. jwirr Jun 2014 #38

I believe sometimes, that's the only answer, jwirr. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #41

Iraq was a country invented by the British after WWI out of a piece of kwassa Jun 2014 #40

That's my take on it as well, kwassa. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #43

These aren't 3 homogenous groups you're talking about. Chathamization Jun 2014 #44

And they're not all sitting on equal amounts of oil wealth, LeftyMom Jun 2014 #45

What's the alternative? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #46

What's the alternative to a US invasion of the Ukraine? Just let Russia annex it? N/T Chathamization Jun 2014 #49

I'm not speaking of Ukraine, this is about Iraq, what should we do? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #50

The point was, if an idea is worse than the status quo, the status quo is preferable, even if it's Chathamization Jun 2014 #67

The Iraqi government shouldn't be pissed at nothing but Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #70

Most government's would be pissed if you made a proposal for them to give up territory to "rebels" Chathamization Jun 2014 #71

If they agree to splitting up the country, they won't be subject to each others' fundamental Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #76

I think the trillions could have been spent better LLD Jun 2014 #47

I agree, LLD, as three nations, they wouldn't have to worry about that. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #48

Baghdad has apparently self-partitioned. moondust Jun 2014 #52

I believe that's a good idea, moondust. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #56

What should happen and what TPTB want Nevernose Jun 2014 #53

Iran would like to merge with southern Iraq, Saudi Arabia would like to merge Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #57

Or, the people of the regions could decide their fate for themselves..without our "help". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #54

They will be deciding their own fate regardless, the only question my OP is presenting Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #59

Mass ethnic cleansing would probably result. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #61

Should the United States be? Let's ask the Iraqis! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #63

That's the point of this thread. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #68

Oh. Didn't see any allusion to the USA's BEING SPLIT into 3 parts in the OP. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #74

The point of this thread, was asking the Iraqis if they would rather be three nations. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #75

Look, I can read very well. Apparently my sarcasm talent failed me this time. So let me be clear: WinkyDink Jun 2014 #85

Sure and it should also be implemented in many other countries too. Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #64

Which nation gets the oil fields, is B Calm Jun 2014 #65

That's what the negotiations would be all about. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #69

Yes Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #73

Absolutely. Blue_In_AK Jun 2014 #77

No, no more US solutions sadoldgirl Jun 2014 #78

We helped make the mess and I believe it will take more than one facilitator, if Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #80

Divided by whom? Iggo Jun 2014 #79

By the people of Iraq, moondust had a good idea up thread about Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #82

Reading the thread is your friend. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #86

i think that will likely be the end result but a lot of blood will first be shed La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #83

Not three nations but three self-governing regions with a central govt in Baghdad.. DCBob Jun 2014 #84