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BlueMTexpat

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21. Me too. :(

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 01:13 AM

Jun 2014

But then, we have also learned a lot since those comparatively innocent days ... and some things were happening under our noses even then.

When such practices became "mainstream" was under Bush II, however, through the thoroughly mislabeled "Patriot Act." The 1st time I really clued in was the 2004 case of Brandon Mayfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield. He was "disappeared" with his family knowing nothing about it; they only learned of the charges from television news.

The FBI swore that his fingerprints were a "100% match" for those on a bag found in Madrid that contained detonating devices even though Spanish authorities had communicated exactly the opposite to them. It was only when the press broke the news that the Spanish authorities had identified the fingerprints as belong to an Algerian national that the FBI finally released him.

The true reason he was arrested was because he was a convert to Islam. It didn't help that he was a lawyer who had had offered legal aid to one of the infamous Portland Seven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Seven) in a child custody battle.

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CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to take Snowden in 2013 [View all] n2doc Jun 2014 OP

Man, I'm old gratuitous Jun 2014 #1

Me too. :( BlueMTexpat Jun 2014 #21

Reminds me more and more of what went on during WWII that only "them" over there RKP5637 Jun 2014 #51

yeah, and my uncle was a POW of the Japanese for three years... grasswire Jun 2014 #85

This report is sourced by anonymous "enthusiasts." I'm old enough to care pnwmom Jun 2014 #81

I'll give the report credence gratuitous Jun 2014 #116

Yes, we did that. But that doesn't mean any other conceivable rumor is true. pnwmom Jun 2014 #123

I wonder where they would have taken him. Interesting. Autumn Jun 2014 #2

George W. Bush has a 100,000 acre "ranch" in Paraguay. Probably there. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #7

No he doesn't. hack89 Jun 2014 #42

RevMoon and now his family DO own over a 1million acres right above the Guarani Aquifer. BFEE can blm Jun 2014 #55

Link please? Nt hack89 Jun 2014 #114

BBC: blm Jun 2014 #121

So what is the link between Bush and the Moonies? nt hack89 Jun 2014 #122

Are you effing kidding? Hard to believe any DU Dem could possibly claim they didn't know this. blm Jun 2014 #125

So because Obama is connected to the BFEE hack89 Jun 2014 #126

GooFY. You aren't even close to being funny. You are being transparent, though. blm Jun 2014 #143

Why did you bring up Bush when Obama is president? hack89 Jun 2014 #145

I replied to YOUR claim Bushes in Paraguay is a myth, and to the absurdity of your pretense blm Jun 2014 #147

Ok. Now explain what it has to do with Snowden hack89 Jun 2014 #148

I didn't say it did. I corrected YOUR reply about Bush and then about Bush/Moon blm Jun 2014 #149

I accept the connection between Bush and the Moonies hack89 Jun 2014 #155

The post reBush was the ONLY one you replied to, so, apparently your interest blm Jun 2014 #151

So why did you mention Bush? hack89 Jun 2014 #154

I didn't. I only replied to correct YOUR claim. Gee - too bad about that, eh? blm Jun 2014 #161

Here's a little ditty about the Bush Paraguay Aquifer. More to it than most believe: misterhighwasted Jun 2014 #119

Interesting that someone thinks it important to pretend there is nothing to see here. blm Jun 2014 #144

Obama would have sent him to Bush owned property? nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #150

Nah. He would have sent him to Somalia. Maedhros Jun 2014 #158

This is just so difficult. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #159

Oh, I really have no idea where the plane would have gone, had Snowden been collected. Maedhros Jun 2014 #160

None of this, in any way, has anything to do with Snowden. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #162

I'd say it MIGHT be related to Snowden, but the article isn't conclusive. Maedhros Jun 2014 #163

How might the article be related to Snowden? NCTraveler Jun 2014 #164

I agree - it's hypothetical. But also completely within the realm of possibility. Maedhros Jun 2014 #165

Some in this thread are talking about it as if it were real. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #168

Thanks for this great article. ancianita Jun 2014 #167

Same place the carriers that raided Tokyo came from whistler162 Jun 2014 #35

And why he avoided all allied air space.His human rights lawyers in Hong Kong gave him good advice. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #3

Interesting. elias49 Jun 2014 #4

How legit is theregister? babylonsister Jun 2014 #5

How legit are the sources? According to the article, they are anonymous "enthusiasts" pnwmom Jun 2014 #124

quick! some soulless flack put up a map of the road between Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo! MisterP Jun 2014 #6

If Snowden had hitched a ride with Evo Morales this would have been the connecting flight. pa28 Jun 2014 #8

DUZY!...NT Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #95

K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #9

given how many cunning minds there are in the NSA & armed services, it's amazing he slipped through tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #10

so this was done without Obama's knowledge? grasswire Jun 2014 #11

You're right. Obama had to have known. No way was a rendition plane sent out riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #13

this is intriguing, indeed grasswire Jun 2014 #14

I'm betting he knew nothing abou tthis n/t malaise Jun 2014 #33

I think authorization would have to come from the top. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #26

Of course Obama knew... he had to have given the authorization. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #96

If that is true ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #12

... woo me with science Jun 2014 #40

June 27, Obama: grasswire Jun 2014 #15

The operative phrase being "scrambling jets". former9thward Jun 2014 #67

it's akin to Clinton's "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." nt grasswire Jun 2014 #68

Well actually I was going to put that in my post ... former9thward Jun 2014 #70

the plane is registered to DoJ. nt grasswire Jun 2014 #16

Something like 900 people a year are extradited to the US: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #29

Who were the authorities who were going to hand Snowden over? GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #48

I don't understand your question. It doesn't seem strange to me that the DoJ has aircraft, struggle4progress Jun 2014 #90

You could have put each of those links into a separate post. nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #132

I'll try really hard to remember that suggestion whenever I reply to you struggle4progress Jun 2014 #133

You've let slip a golden opportunity. I'm so disappointed. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #134

I live in Palm Springs. ROCKYSXXX Jun 2014 #17

You distracted...poorly. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #20

Hey I am new here ..rules state I need to respond before I can post.That's what I did ! ROCKYSXXX Jun 2014 #23

My apologies. Maedhros Jun 2014 #43

Didn't even really distract - just looks ridiculous. And signed up just to look ridiculous. Pity. djean111 Jun 2014 #30

There is no need for you to be snide. nt avebury Jun 2014 #87

more from the article grasswire Jun 2014 #18

He is a very smart guy who had to listen to his conscience and blow the whistle! Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #19

I am going to make an OP about just that one detail. grasswire Jun 2014 #22

Kick. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #24

Government for the Corporations by the Corporations nolabels Jun 2014 #25

That plane seems to be in Europe regularly struggle4progress Jun 2014 #27

Is there a webpage devoted to tracking just this plane? There should be one. mainer Jun 2014 #32

lots of info at Willy's link below, to wikipedia. grasswire Jun 2014 #58

Based on the historical reasons for that aircrafts travels, those trips are equally worrisome. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #66

black sites, sometimes grasswire Jun 2014 #69

Obama: "I'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker," woo me with science Jun 2014 #28

He meant military jets like rusty fender Jun 2014 #31

There's sure seems to be a need for a lot of verbal contortions woo me with science Jun 2014 #44

I for one welcome the new influx of posters supportive of the state bobduca Jun 2014 #115

I followed your link malokvale77 Jun 2014 #136

I've seen no evidence that this jet was ever headed to Moscow Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #73

why does it have to be headed to Moscow? nt grasswire Jun 2014 #76

If the jet was supposedly going to "snatch" Snowden Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #83

The jet only had to fly to where ever the plane Snowden was on was forced down. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #97

Um....how exactly was it supposed to get him? jeff47 Jun 2014 #34

Can you tell me unequivocally it wasn't there for Snowden? elias49 Jun 2014 #36

Can you tell me unequivocally it was? jeff47 Jun 2014 #37

Of course not. Just wondering elias49 Jun 2014 #39

this is the kind of story that doesn't require an open mind....it requires evidence... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #91

By the way, from one of your previous worries about "evidence" Pholus Jun 2014 #106

yeah right I am supposed to prove your premise? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #109

No. You merely need to prove it IS a CT. Pholus Jun 2014 #118

NOOOO its CT unless YOU can prove this...you want me to prove a negative... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #129

Keeping an open mind doesn't mean assuming the plane was for Snowden. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #99

Same way we got our 'allies' to hold up the plane of the president of a sovereign nation sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #38

Again, the plane was thousands of miles away. jeff47 Jun 2014 #100

The author doesn't even seem to want to try to prove his assertion. It's pathetic. stevenleser Jun 2014 #47

Pure fantasy LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #41

The article offers no proof of its assertions at all. Odd that people just buy it. stevenleser Jun 2014 #45

The followrra of Snowden need no proof MohRokTah Jun 2014 #46

that's usually how conspiracy theories are JI7 Jun 2014 #50

I don't know what further "proof" you think is required. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #63

LMAO. Well done. Everyone in this thread who has bought this should be embarrassed. stevenleser Jun 2014 #65

I (stupidly) thought this OP was NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #74

True. Maybe the jet was flown from US to Europe to warm up the oil. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #98

Maybe the truth is even more bizarre ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #104

lol treestar Jun 2014 #80

Speculation is fun. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #49

Wikileaks Has Some Interesting Background On Rendition Flights: WillyT Jun 2014 #52

thanks, Willy grasswire Jun 2014 #59

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #61

If one chooses not to believe James Clapper because he lied, then how does one believe Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #53

I've never seen a list of Snowden's alleged lies. grasswire Jun 2014 #60

I would be happy to oblige, thought you would never ask. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #75

A KOS blogger? grasswire Jun 2014 #77

You wanted a list of lies and a partial list was provided and since there seems Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #78

I reject a nearly hysterical KOS blogger. grasswire Jun 2014 #88

These are quotes from Snowden and i can see your reluctance not to Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #89

OMG an American plane was within 1000 miles of Snowden?! JaneyVee Jun 2014 #54

Yes. It's utterly criminal...investigate and impeach! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #56

Of course, your obfuscation neglects the significance of that specific aircraft. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #64

hmm. I'm wondering if N977GA will continue to be used as the tail number since it has changed once 2banon Jun 2014 #57

if you read that wikipedia article that Willy linked to... grasswire Jun 2014 #62

And It Appears That Most, If Not All, Of That Info Came From Witnesses At Foreign Airports... WillyT Jun 2014 #71

Yep. I did read that. 2banon Jun 2014 #94

So the U.S. supposedly sent a jet Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #72

Hey, but the source was anonymous tracking "enthusiasts." pnwmom Jun 2014 #82

More glamorous victimization for Eddie! treestar Jun 2014 #79

This was reported at the time last summer. I see no new confirming information. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #84

Ha! grasswire Jun 2014 #86

You people will believe anything....and it just proves you are not what you say you are.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #92

n2doc has been here a decade Hissyspit Jun 2014 #93

"You can believe me because I've been here a really long time" struggle4progress Jun 2014 #101

Mostly i don't endear things to me for more than a few years unless they mean something. nolabels Jun 2014 #105

In case this hard for you to grasp, Hissyspit Jun 2014 #108

oh please stop you are hurting me VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #113

How old are you? Union Scribe Jun 2014 #117

I wonder how many minds are won by rofl smilies? grasswire Jun 2014 #130

I cant get big words so I count rofls Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #135

How old are you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #131

Someone who uses the term "you people". pa28 Jun 2014 #102

hahahahahahahahahahah now I'm racist?.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #112

i dont care how long someone has been posting....there is a timeline to VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #110

Yeah, who you gonna believe. You or the WaPo? Pholus Jun 2014 #107

WAPO said they were trying to rendition Snowden? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #111

It is tedious to debate word games. Pholus Jun 2014 #120

tedious, yes grasswire Jun 2014 #127

Bingo. Pholus Jun 2014 #137

and the evidence for this is? Isn't this just speculation...ie CT? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #128

The ones who bought the flying gin palace.... Pholus Jun 2014 #138

still CT unless you have evidence...and someone with morals would understand that.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #139

Say what you want. The last "CT" was verified today. Pholus Jun 2014 #140

verified HOW? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #141

By administration sources speaking under conditions of anonymity. Pholus Jun 2014 #142

YAWN B Calm Jun 2014 #103

The headline is speculation. Vattel Jun 2014 #146

ALL of this issue is speculation. Including those who say this could never happen or djean111 Jun 2014 #152

good point Vattel Jun 2014 #166

Lets see. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #153

Then explain why a jet was sighted in Europe! You can't, can you??? randome Jun 2014 #156

This. Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #157