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Cali_Democrat

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4. Help me out here

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 02:53 AM

Jun 2014

So this plane allegedly flew from the Washington DC area to Denmark..around the same time Snowden arrived in Russia.

Therefore, this is proof that the US intended to snatch Snowden from Russia and Obama lied about not scrambling jets to get him when he spoke 3 days after this plane allegedly landed in Denmark to snatch Snowden who was about 1000 miles away in Moscow?

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Contradiction: 9/24/13 secret rendition jet and 9/27/13 Obama statement on Snowden [View all] grasswire Jun 2014 OP

thanks to n2doc for finding that original article about the plane grasswire Jun 2014 #1

That article offers zero proof of its assertions. None at all. I read it twice looking... stevenleser Jun 2014 #49

Huh. So I guess they were out of good Danish Pastries in DC then. Pholus Jun 2014 #54

Given an hour I could come up with around 60 theories. All of them with the same level of proof as stevenleser Jun 2014 #55

Cue the Nelson voice: "Ha-Ha" Pholus Jun 2014 #69

Nope, still an epic fail in terms of anything resembling not only proof, but a hint of correlation. stevenleser Jun 2014 #76

Oh well. My ally is time. Today we found out that despite VIGOROUS denials... Pholus Jun 2014 #77

At this point anything is possible because nothing has been proved or disproved. stevenleser Jun 2014 #83

If you say so. For me there were all KINDS of gems in there. Pholus Jun 2014 #92

I'm not ticked off. Flying a plane to Cleveland doesnt make sense to pick someone up from Miami stevenleser Jun 2014 #95

Yup, just like the hamhanded diplomacy about Evo's plane -- there is no evidence -- YET. Pholus Jun 2014 #106

Cannot even tell if you are being serious. n-t Logical Jun 2014 #72

It's no use. There is now yet another story out, proving that the Left was right again, as usual, sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #85

No contradiction. Contrary1 Jun 2014 #2

I thought perhaps it was a rogue operation by the spooks. grasswire Jun 2014 #3

Something like 900 people a year are extradited to the US: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #26

Extradition snd rendition sre two different things riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #33

Hmmm. Actually, the term "rendition" in its standard use means an extradition-like transfer, struggle4progress Jun 2014 #35

Good post Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #38

Always Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #65

Help me out here Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #4

help yourself out grasswire Jun 2014 #6

I read it twice and the source seems very sketchy Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #7

What? You distrust "a member of an internet aircraft-tracking network run by enthusiasts in the UK"? struggle4progress Jun 2014 #21

We both read the article twice. It offers absolutely zero proof of the allegation. stevenleser Jun 2014 #50

True, correlation does not prove causation... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #78

It's not a suggestive coincidence at all. Tons of these jets fly around all the time. stevenleser Jun 2014 #80

"For folks who have even a little bit of knowledge,"... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #86

PERFECT! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #89

Yep, I have a little bit of knowledge on this. You don't have any. See how that works? nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #94

Geez, I agree with your own self-assessment... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #98

You mentioned evasiveness below? You had no clue that these planes fly around all the time... stevenleser Jun 2014 #100

Wow, talk about no clue... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #109

Addressing the actual point is much more difficult than going for the irrelevant cheap-shot LanternWaste Jun 2014 #107

There was no point to address... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #108

BTW I notice you avoided my question: ljm2002 Jun 2014 #88

I didn't avoid it. It asks to prove a negative, like proving telepathy doesnt exist. stevenleser Jun 2014 #93

Not this shite again... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #96

Read my post again. It says "Nothing can be ruled out". Speaking of not this shite again... stevenleser Jun 2014 #97

"like proving telepathy doesn't exist" ljm2002 Jun 2014 #99

So you are only capable of reading the subjects of messages? Good to know. I'll stop there each time stevenleser Jun 2014 #101

You're going to modify your posting practices... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #102

Only when responding to you, since that's all you seem to read. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #103

"Tons" of known rendition jets are flying around all the time? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #104

Don't try to keep up with their conspiracy theories... SidDithers Jun 2014 #8

LOL. Snowden was a pretty public figure at that point Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #10

it's more exciting that way JI7 Jun 2014 #12

Yes. It's all about romanticizing the story treestar Jun 2014 #71

This^^^ Egnever Jun 2014 #13

Thanks Obama! Cha Jun 2014 #24

. Egnever Jun 2014 #25

The point is... little CT on the internet Cha Jun 2014 #23

That's why you use pictures. Octafish Jun 2014 #43

Yup. Often the CTers only understand pictures and simple words...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #53

Which doesn't explain why you never post anything about criminal conspiracies. Octafish Jun 2014 #56

That plane has frequently been in Europe struggle4progress Jun 2014 #17

Obama knew and ordered. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #5

Knew and ordered what? There is as much proof that the plane was ordered by you and sent to stevenleser Jun 2014 #51

the "sketchy" credentials of the investigative journalist reporting this grasswire Jun 2014 #9

His creds or lack thereof don't matter when he offered zero proof of his assertions. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #52

I'm pretty sure the operative word here is "SECRET" underthematrix Jun 2014 #11

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #14

"We now know" and "allegedly" don't mean the same thing. It's alleged. It's not known pnwmom Jun 2014 #15

duh grasswire Jun 2014 #81

More lies. woo me with science Jun 2014 #16

LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #18

Lies, abuse of power, and propaganda. woo me with science Jun 2014 #27

So how exactly was this alleged rendition flight supposed to get Snowden Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #37

Lord, I hope not. woo me with science Jun 2014 #44

You never even answered my question... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #61

You're not getting an answer ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #87

Bingo Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #90

Maybe by flying? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #105

Plus one a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #20

It's every single day. woo me with science Jun 2014 #28

Does not take long..... micraphone Jun 2014 #19

1000 miles is "so close"? WTF? There are NATO bases in the Baltics much closer. stevenleser Jun 2014 #47

. struggle4progress Jun 2014 #22

The President was asked on 9.27.13 Crabby Appleton Jun 2014 #29

it's a "meaning of 'is'" moment, then. grasswire Jun 2014 #36

That's pretty good and quick pouncing on your post! djean111 Jun 2014 #30

+1 Yup. Posts in any way connected to NSA spying get top priority from the propaganda/smear brigade. woo me with science Jun 2014 #31

If these posters are indeed actual people, and not managed personas, Maedhros Jun 2014 #60

:) woo me with science Jun 2014 #79

"Scramble" usually refers to fighter jets... farmbo Jun 2014 #32

Thanks grass..for keeping on top of this. elias49 Jun 2014 #34

probably driven to distraction by "cleaning up" Bush's crap :sarcasm: MisterP Jun 2014 #39

good question... nt G_j Jun 2014 #40

The United States forced down the Bolivian President's jet. Octafish Jun 2014 #41

. struggle4progress Jun 2014 #45

Interesting. Octafish Jun 2014 #46

The US did nothing of the sort. The jet was forced down in Europe. Now, if you are making stevenleser Jun 2014 #48

Forcing it down...denying it fuel...letting it crash into the Atlantic...What's the difference? Octafish Jun 2014 #57

Facts matter. You had yours wrong. Are you going to own up to it or not? nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #58

So I need to write that the United States forced the jet down in Europe? Octafish Jun 2014 #59

Feedin folk bullshizz is just another way to feck over their minds IMO struggle4progress Jun 2014 #64

Indeed! grasswire Jun 2014 #82

It is the same FUBAR in "foreign relations", "diplomacy" and complicity that came with not changing bobthedrummer Jun 2014 #42

Was it confirmed that this jet was specifically headed towards Moscow? Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #62

Absolutely confirmed! NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #63

But, but, but.. Cha Jun 2014 #70

Flight 370 treestar Jun 2014 #74

Easily explained treestar Jun 2014 #73

Kick, given new WaPo story on the topic. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #66

thanks!! nt grasswire Jun 2014 #67

hmm...weasel words grasswire Jun 2014 #68

"allegedly" treestar Jun 2014 #75

I wish the Paulbots hadn't invaded DU. 6000eliot Jun 2014 #84

They did? Who? Where? ljm2002 Jun 2014 #91