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HereSince1628

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44. We are writing past each other from different points of view

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 06:42 AM

Jun 2014

You see it from the point of view of a voluntary thing you do to purchase a gun. I don't have a problem with a licensed gun seller/broker clearing a private sale through NICS for a fee. It's consistent with the stated mission of NICS, even if NICS is riddled with holes and is questionably up-to-date.

What I specifically object to is the notion of -everyone- having access to query NICS. Such access to NICS is an invitation to use of the data for things other than for clearing people for gun purchases. Across our society people are eager to find ways to separate good from bad people, to create social distance between "us" from "them", I don't think everyone can be trusted to act humanely and socially responsibly with the information it holds.

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Why not here? Australia's Gun Ban Has Worked Big Time [View all] doxydad Jun 2014 OP

Australians don't have a Right to keep and bear arms. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #1

Or enforce the well-regulated militia part. mattclearing Jun 2014 #7

The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" Keefer Jun 2014 #28

Pretty sure most gun nuts fail this test. n/t mattclearing Jun 2014 #43

The 2A is not stopping strict gun regulation - time to drop that myth. hack89 Jun 2014 #14

That is not true. former9thward Jun 2014 #25

So that part would be unconstitutional hack89 Jun 2014 #40

Maybe not, but gun owners, NRA, etc., are. When are you guys gonna push for Hoyt Jun 2014 #27

Never hack89 Jun 2014 #41

Lucky Australians treestar Jun 2014 #36

There must be another way then repeal yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #51

Repealing the second amendment wouldn't make the right go away. X_Digger Jun 2014 #63

I think your link is FUBARed aikoaiko Jun 2014 #2

Fixed, TY! doxydad Jun 2014 #4

Gun bans are, in my mind, are violations of the 2nd amendment. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #3

perhaps not a violation if made within the context of 2A - you know, well-regulated militia and all DrDan Jun 2014 #5

yes, the militia administration can ban the use of arms in their militias, aikoaiko Jun 2014 #8

so our founding fathers, in their wisdom, thought we should arm folks like this DrDan Jun 2014 #16

Look like what exactly? What features are you attending to? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #18

then again, we could more intelligently form the militia, and provide/allow arms to those DrDan Jun 2014 #19

I doubt that was what they intended. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #21

I don't DrDan Jun 2014 #22

Yes, they did. former9thward Jun 2014 #26

when it comes to faith in a militia, I shall put my confidence in the "average colonialist" DrDan Jun 2014 #31

Whatever that means... former9thward Jun 2014 #33

I think you can figure it out - I have faith DrDan Jun 2014 #34

What is wrong with him? yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #54

never said that, did I? . . . but good try DrDan Jun 2014 #60

Start the conversation then... doxydad Jun 2014 #6

Improving the NICS list and making it available to private sellers would help a lot. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #9

I'll throw this out to anyone: Why isn't NICS open to all? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #10

Yes, as if it's all metadata and nothing could go wrong HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #20

If I want to buy a shotgun from you, and agree voluntarily Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #23

There's also "delayed". VScott Jun 2014 #24

I understand, but the resulting hassle is no worse... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #38

exactly, everyone on the list can be assumed to be a criminal HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #35

I'm still mystified as to what the legal, privacy, or bureaucratic problem Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #39

We are writing past each other from different points of view HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #44

I think I see what you are saying. I suppose a private seller Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #45

My concern isn't trivial bandying about of information but rather HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #48

By now, I'm sure the NSA has algorithms in place... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49

then let's amend the amendment spanone Jun 2014 #12

Depends on the proposed revision. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #13

Yes. Maybe we could add the words "well regulated". Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #30

The 2A is not stopping the strict regulation of guns hack89 Jun 2014 #42

I wish. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #11

Besides absolutely no public support for them? nt hack89 Jun 2014 #15

Americans don't want it. What's so hard to understand about that? LittleBlue Jun 2014 #17

Are they crazy? After all those massacres, why wouldn't Americans want gun laws like ours? Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #29

It's sentimentality and not logic LittleBlue Jun 2014 #37

LittleBlue has it. Supporters have romantic visions of themselves as a hero with a gun stopping stevenleser Jun 2014 #58

They just don't love freedumb the way we do. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #32

Australia is not America. dilby Jun 2014 #46

I don't give two shits for the constitution.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47

"take whatever measures:" Hence, guns. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #50

You can use the writers of the Patriot Act as your advisors hack89 Jun 2014 #52

They lied.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #61

The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 Jun 2014 #65

Well lets just ditch every law or inititiave after the original writer dies. dilby Jun 2014 #53

Yes. Exactly. Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #62

Do you think what present voters think? hack89 Jun 2014 #55

Wow! yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #56

Well yes, but Australians Turbineguy Jun 2014 #57

If you want to avoid the 2nd, don't restrict guns, but license people who should have guns... Sancho Jun 2014 #59

mostly because our representatives are as a group a bunch of Doctor_J Jun 2014 #64