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Sancho

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59. If you want to avoid the 2nd, don't restrict guns, but license people who should have guns...
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jun 2014

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Australians don't have a Right to keep and bear arms. GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #1
Or enforce the well-regulated militia part. mattclearing Jun 2014 #7
The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" Keefer Jun 2014 #28
Pretty sure most gun nuts fail this test. n/t mattclearing Jun 2014 #43
The 2A is not stopping strict gun regulation - time to drop that myth. hack89 Jun 2014 #14
That is not true. former9thward Jun 2014 #25
So that part would be unconstitutional hack89 Jun 2014 #40
Maybe not, but gun owners, NRA, etc., are. When are you guys gonna push for Hoyt Jun 2014 #27
Never hack89 Jun 2014 #41
Lucky Australians treestar Jun 2014 #36
There must be another way then repeal yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #51
Repealing the second amendment wouldn't make the right go away. X_Digger Jun 2014 #63
I think your link is FUBARed aikoaiko Jun 2014 #2
Fixed, TY! doxydad Jun 2014 #4
Gun bans are, in my mind, are violations of the 2nd amendment. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #3
perhaps not a violation if made within the context of 2A - you know, well-regulated militia and all DrDan Jun 2014 #5
yes, the militia administration can ban the use of arms in their militias, aikoaiko Jun 2014 #8
so our founding fathers, in their wisdom, thought we should arm folks like this DrDan Jun 2014 #16
Look like what exactly? What features are you attending to? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #18
then again, we could more intelligently form the militia, and provide/allow arms to those DrDan Jun 2014 #19
I doubt that was what they intended. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #21
I don't DrDan Jun 2014 #22
Yes, they did. former9thward Jun 2014 #26
when it comes to faith in a militia, I shall put my confidence in the "average colonialist" DrDan Jun 2014 #31
Whatever that means... former9thward Jun 2014 #33
I think you can figure it out - I have faith DrDan Jun 2014 #34
What is wrong with him? yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #54
never said that, did I? . . . but good try DrDan Jun 2014 #60
Start the conversation then... doxydad Jun 2014 #6
Improving the NICS list and making it available to private sellers would help a lot. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #9
I'll throw this out to anyone: Why isn't NICS open to all? Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #10
Yes, as if it's all metadata and nothing could go wrong HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #20
If I want to buy a shotgun from you, and agree voluntarily Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #23
There's also "delayed". VScott Jun 2014 #24
I understand, but the resulting hassle is no worse... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #38
exactly, everyone on the list can be assumed to be a criminal HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #35
I'm still mystified as to what the legal, privacy, or bureaucratic problem Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #39
We are writing past each other from different points of view HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #44
I think I see what you are saying. I suppose a private seller Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #45
My concern isn't trivial bandying about of information but rather HereSince1628 Jun 2014 #48
By now, I'm sure the NSA has algorithms in place... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49
then let's amend the amendment spanone Jun 2014 #12
Depends on the proposed revision. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #13
Yes. Maybe we could add the words "well regulated". Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #30
The 2A is not stopping the strict regulation of guns hack89 Jun 2014 #42
I wish. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #11
Besides absolutely no public support for them? nt hack89 Jun 2014 #15
Americans don't want it. What's so hard to understand about that? LittleBlue Jun 2014 #17
Are they crazy? After all those massacres, why wouldn't Americans want gun laws like ours? Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #29
It's sentimentality and not logic LittleBlue Jun 2014 #37
LittleBlue has it. Supporters have romantic visions of themselves as a hero with a gun stopping stevenleser Jun 2014 #58
They just don't love freedumb the way we do. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #32
Australia is not America. dilby Jun 2014 #46
I don't give two shits for the constitution.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47
"take whatever measures:" Hence, guns. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #50
You can use the writers of the Patriot Act as your advisors hack89 Jun 2014 #52
They lied.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #61
The 2A is not stopping strict gun control hack89 Jun 2014 #65
Well lets just ditch every law or inititiave after the original writer dies. dilby Jun 2014 #53
Yes. Exactly. Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #62
Do you think what present voters think? hack89 Jun 2014 #55
Wow! yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #56
Well yes, but Australians Turbineguy Jun 2014 #57
If you want to avoid the 2nd, don't restrict guns, but license people who should have guns... Sancho Jun 2014 #59
mostly because our representatives are as a group a bunch of Doctor_J Jun 2014 #64
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