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struggle4progress

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54. Bullshizz is mind-ferking IMO
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 04:07 AM
Jun 2014

Arming progressives with actual information, that helps them analyze and understand the world in order to win fights, is one thing

Amusing oneself, by spouting bullshizz, is quite a different thing: IMO that objectively supports the status quo by denying people the opportunity to think clearly and accurately

There's nothing wrong with a bit of healthy cynicism or healthy paranoia about the state of the world or about how large institutions functions. If one's cynicism and paranoia are tempered by an insistence on actual facts, and can be put to use to help people think accurately about what strategies might help us work towards our goals, then a bit of cynicism and paranoia might actually be helpful. But cynicism and paranoia alone won't move us forward, and they can become a lazy substitute for the hard work of trying to change anything

If you want to amuse yourself by bullshizzing, you're certainly free to do so, but then IMO you're not a progressive in any objective sense: you're just engaged in some silly pointless mind-ferking

Latin Americans have good reason, based on examples going back over many years, to distrust the US. There's no question that GWB attempted to overthrow Chavez and actually deposed Aristide. I've been convinced for years that GHWB invaded Panama because Noriega had been a CIA-asset, knew about drug-dealing associated with Reagan's contras, and had (in a manner of speaking) wandered off the plantation. Reagan's proxy wars in Guatemala, Nicaragua, and El Salvador were shameful affairs; and the history goes back years before that, including the Nixon-sponsored coup against Allende and more. And, unfortunately, Latin Americans can expect more of the same, the next time the US has another rightwing government, because we on the left here in the US really haven't had our act together for years and years

You can sit back and engage in adolescent snickering, popcorn in hand, if you like, or sneer about a map somebody or other posted a year ago, or chuckle how hilarious you think my post #31 seems to you -- but all I did was point out that the link Greg Miller gave, to support his statement, didn't actually support his statement

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Link missing? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #1
Here's the link from the Washington Post neverforget Jun 2014 #2
WaPo is in the tank for neocons Aerows Jun 2014 #20
Hillary billhicks76 Jun 2014 #121
For Heaven's sake Aerows Jun 2014 #135
So we had it right at the time then, about why Morales was made to land. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #3
Yes. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #4
Of course we were right. morningfog Jun 2014 #8
Exactly. The personality cult was in stubborn denial. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #15
Still are Aerows Jun 2014 #17
Of course we did Aerows Jun 2014 #16
I REMEMBER, AEROWS Skittles Jun 2014 #21
It was ludicrous Aerows Jun 2014 #42
that would require honor Skittles Jun 2014 #58
I know! Aerows Jun 2014 #93
And South Africa, they don't have maps and the Iraq, such as. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #115
STOP IT ENTHUSIAST Skittles Jun 2014 #120
I remember it too zeemike Jun 2014 #25
The contortions were hilarious Aerows Jun 2014 #41
Sorry, but you are totally wrong. All that never happened. QC Jun 2014 #70
The "flight plan" map, thank you for posting it, it's clearly due to crab turbulence Dragonfli Jun 2014 #111
I don't like the looks of that octopus, either. QC Jun 2014 #112
That's why all the deniers are flocking to this thread to apologize nikto Jun 2014 #127
I think I know who you are alluding to but can you supply some links erronis Jun 2014 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Jun 2014 #19
No you didn't - unless you are claiming that Morales plane was sabotaged intaglio Jun 2014 #30
So Italy, France and Spain had a fit of bureaucratic ineptitude in unison cprise Jun 2014 #37
LMAO Aerows Jun 2014 #43
I did not say that intaglio Jun 2014 #63
Interesting details you provide here... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #94
I did that last year intaglio Jun 2014 #97
So, no link then... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #99
You win. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #116
Just by way of adding a few facts quakerboy Jun 2014 #119
You can't make this shit up LittleBlue Jun 2014 #137
The Mechanical problem in question Savannahmann Jun 2014 #50
Wrong, there was a fault with one fuel gauge intaglio Jun 2014 #62
I presume you have a link? Savannahmann Jun 2014 #75
Excellent rebuttal with proof n/t Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #78
The Guardian article intaglio Jun 2014 #82
There are so many flaws with your assertions. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #100
The Government did nothing wrong, I INSIST!!!! nikto Jun 2014 #129
Nice fallback position. Pholus Jun 2014 #59
I did ask why the WP was pushing a conspiracy theory intaglio Jun 2014 #65
Well, I can't wait for the prompt debunking from the USG. Pholus Jun 2014 #67
Papers of record make mistakes intaglio Jun 2014 #74
And so a correction should be issued. Pholus Jun 2014 #92
Anything that makes the US Gov't look bad nikto Jun 2014 #130
I LOVE that movie n/t Scootaloo Jun 2014 #128
Cling to that! LOL! morningfog Jun 2014 #80
Never give up. bemildred Jun 2014 #83
True, conspiracy theorists never give up intaglio Jun 2014 #86
De Nile is not just a river in Egypt. bemildred Jun 2014 #88
Oh, is that where you are? intaglio Jun 2014 #89
Have a nice day. bemildred Jun 2014 #90
Conspiracy Theorists Aerows Jun 2014 #122
LOL nt Mojorabbit Jun 2014 #106
Did Miller actually provide any new evidence on the Morales plane story? struggle4progress Jun 2014 #34
WaPo is not a credible source Aerows Jun 2014 #44
In link, in the statement in the article under discussion in the WaPo, leads struggle4progress Jun 2014 #49
Like I said Aerows Jun 2014 #51
You are reading the article incorrectly. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #73
You read the article carelessly struggle4progress Jun 2014 #108
''Snowden faces federal charges and is therefore regarded as a fugitive abroad...'' Whisp Jun 2014 #132
Well of course. Every major news organization agrees with that assessment now. pa28 Jun 2014 #125
All the denials that the US had anything to do with the reprehensible treatment of sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #133
Hey, they have been getting away with this "plausible deniability" stuff for a long time now. bemildred Jun 2014 #140
I smell smoke. nt elias49 Jun 2014 #5
Me, too! NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #68
Wow, so Snowden outsmarted the White House, Homeland security, the FBI, and the CIA quinnox Jun 2014 #6
More than likely, they outsmarted themselves nolabels Jun 2014 #57
He is stuck in Russia as a play toy for Putin hack89 Jun 2014 #95
Oh how well I remember the thread Aerows Jun 2014 #7
The MAP! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #9
That was the second most hilarious thread in DU history! QC Jun 2014 #71
LOL! quinnox Jun 2014 #10
I laughed out loud Aerows Jun 2014 #12
*snort* Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2014 #11
That was an hilariously epic fail! neverforget Jun 2014 #13
The classic "flight path" thread, LOL! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #14
Yes, the map was an epic fail. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #18
LOL ballyhoo Jun 2014 #22
Thanks for the memories! Pholus Jun 2014 #60
before my time, thanks for posting!! m-lekktor Jun 2014 #64
I was ctsnowman Jun 2014 #84
Classic bobduca Jun 2014 #91
Darn, I missed all the fun! Oilwellian Jun 2014 #98
Ownage approved LittleBlue Jun 2014 #138
Wizner needs to stop sinking his client: Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #23
Huh? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #33
"the decision to force a foreign leader’s plane to land" n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #24
But they didn't (of course) Aerows Jun 2014 #45
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2014 #26
The Cia Rendition Jet was ready in Copenhagen Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #27
there ya go grasswire Jun 2014 #28
Posted This In Another Thread... In Case You're Interested... Rendition Aircraft... WillyT Jun 2014 #35
I'd be interested in just how the logs books were obtained... Historic NY Jun 2014 #66
"Analysis of the plane's flight plans"... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #101
naw, it's just the WH being overenthusiastic in undoing what Bush did. or something MisterP Jun 2014 #29
And nobody can remember Aerows Jun 2014 #47
You should have included the hyperlink: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #31
Yes. The story has been updated since last summer. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #36
It seems to have been the best link Greg Miller could find for his claim struggle4progress Jun 2014 #39
I'm confused Aerows Jun 2014 #46
Bullshizz is mind-ferking IMO struggle4progress Jun 2014 #54
So citing a WaPo article... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #104
We should judge the article on it's actual content, not merely on the fact it appeared in WaPo struggle4progress Jun 2014 #110
Pompous much? ljm2002 Jun 2014 #136
Fuck Yeah! HangOnKids Jun 2014 #139
"We'll update if this changes." Apparently it hasn't. ucrdem Jun 2014 #53
But... But... I Was Informed That This Was All Fiction WillyT Jun 2014 #32
Told you so. Fearless Jun 2014 #38
I love sudden amnesia threads Aerows Jun 2014 #40
I am in the DU minority Dwayne Hicks Jun 2014 #48
Because Snowden told us about Unconstitutional actions of the Government? Savannahmann Jun 2014 #52
The "mushroom" theory of what loyalty to the US is. Pholus Jun 2014 #61
No he's not. TransitJohn Jun 2014 #76
Some people said the same thing about Billy Mitchell. Downwinder Jun 2014 #96
No he isn't and after the revolution WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #114
It's disgraceful how certain parts of the government lie and mislead the public with impunity. BlueCheese Jun 2014 #55
Clearly the WaPo is an unreliable source... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #56
Can we hire those Austrian officials? Please? Pholus Jun 2014 #69
I am not seeing any evidence that the plane was forced to land. Vattel Jun 2014 #72
The actual cockpit exchanges reveal that instrumentation problems msanthrope Jun 2014 #77
I think the new article in the Washingotn post explains why this has come up again. Vattel Jun 2014 #79
"One wonders why this is come up again"... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #105
Here are some links in post 75 Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #81
Thanks for the links. Vattel Jun 2014 #107
Watching the spin cycle downthread is a riot !!!! marmar Jun 2014 #85
LOL! ProSense Jun 2014 #87
I think it is ridiculous that anyone here thinks they know what actually happened. djean111 Jun 2014 #102
We know what didn't happen Demeter Jun 2014 #117
good grief, get a grip. Whisp Jun 2014 #134
K and R. deurbano Jun 2014 #103
DURec... bvar22 Jun 2014 #109
Of course they do. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #113
Snowden reveals America's SCUMBAG SIDE for the whole world to see nikto Jun 2014 #123
Is there a map? 1000words Jun 2014 #124
Can a child be WRONG? nikto Jun 2014 #126
"America, right or wrong"... nikto Jun 2014 #131
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