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5. Delaying take offs and landings because someone is in the can costs $$$...

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 02:53 PM

Jun 2014

as well as time and causes people to miss connections. Hard to justify not letting them get up during a ground delay though.

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Flight Attendent Forces Child to Urinate In Seat [View all] avebury Jun 2014 OP

When airliners keep passengers waiting on the tarmac, the airliners should be required pnwmom Jun 2014 #1

exactly. There's no way I could hold it for hours Beaverhausen Jun 2014 #9

Actually, they are - LiberalElite Jun 2014 #64

They are required to do that. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #73

I am never flying again. eShirl Jun 2014 #2

Shit I wish that was an option jollyreaper2112 Jun 2014 #4

I see a future for bullet trains in the United States... TeeYiYi Jun 2014 #8

Only after all the oil is gone and the cars WhiteTara Jun 2014 #39

We spent a trillion dollars on the Iraq war instead WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #84

Me neither. I used to fly a lot, nationally and internationally for business. Fortunately, RKP5637 Jun 2014 #53

You and me both. They couldn't pay me to get on a plane these days. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2014 #56

The flight attendant would have been fired if he or she allowed the person to use the bathroom MADem Jun 2014 #3

On time record is based upon when an aircraft avebury Jun 2014 #7

You mean the gate...? MADem Jun 2014 #44

An off-duty pilot two seats in front of the girl took the side of the family pnwmom Jun 2014 #10

Tell it to the F-A-A. That's like blaming the janitor for your bank's lousy mortgage rates. MADem Jun 2014 #12

The off-duty pilot sitting near the girl intervened to keep the girl and mother on the plane. pnwmom Jun 2014 #15

And "he" (or she--not clear) has more "au-thor-i-teh" and is senior in the pecking order to MADem Jun 2014 #20

The FAA regulations require the airline to allow the passengers of a plane delayed on a tarmac pnwmom Jun 2014 #21

There's a time limit, I believe it is a half hour, and I don't think they hit it, otherwise MADem Jun 2014 #65

No, there isn't a time limit. Here is the statement on Jet Blue's own website: pnwmom Jun 2014 #83

The way I read that, the delay notification process starts at the thirty minute mark. MADem Jun 2014 #88

You're reading it incorrectly. What is required a 30 minutes is that they are notified that they can pnwmom Jun 2014 #91

I am not reading it wrong--go look at Jet Blue's Lengthy Delay document, which this MADem Jun 2014 #100

It isnt clear which part of the treatment he disagreed with. It's my impression that he disagreed rhett o rick Jun 2014 #71

There sure are. My hubby takes water pills and they have an effect. He tries to time travel CTyankee Jun 2014 #79

time travel *is* difficult d_r Jun 2014 #82

hard to time your travel to your baldder, if that's what you meant... CTyankee Jun 2014 #94

lmao TeamPooka Jun 2014 #105

heh. wait til you get older...heh...oh, well, you'll see...just wait... CTyankee Jun 2014 #116

I'm sorry d_r Jun 2014 #152

Aw, no problem. In fact, we joke about it. CTyankee Jun 2014 #153

Some people get septic if they don't empty their bladder. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #75

They need a catheter, then. Or those adult incontinence drawers and pads. MADem Jun 2014 #80

That is NOT the rule. Jet Blue still may be fined. pnwmom Jun 2014 #98

You're just wrong. By your account, if the plane stops on the taxiway a person has the "right" MADem Jun 2014 #99

There is no information anywhere that they were in line for takeoff. pnwmom Jun 2014 #104

And when DELAY MODE starts, the plane DOOR is opened and a stairway is attached. MADem Jun 2014 #108

You've got this completely backwards. pnwmom Jun 2014 #109

No, I don't. Tarmac delay means DELAY. No one is taking off -- no one has a slot. MADem Jun 2014 #112

The planes don't inch forward on the tarmac. They sit there parked till it is time to move. pnwmom Jun 2014 #117

They frequently go from spot to spot on an active tarmac. MADem Jun 2014 #128

And so they would rather ruin their ontime record taxiing back to the gate. OK. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #57

Talk to the PILOT about that--he or she is the ultimate authority on that aircraft. nt MADem Jun 2014 #62

I'm sure the flight attendant invented a gross exaggeration to tell to the pilot. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #86

Since the pilot has cameras on the passengers and monitors where he can observe the cabin, I very MADem Jun 2014 #92

As may be, but I'm sure pilots have other things to attend to while in the flight line. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #96

They're sitting there (not) smoking and joking. They're listening for the tower to MADem Jun 2014 #101

The FA would have been fined spartan61 Jun 2014 #127

Yup. Agschmid Jun 2014 #130

Jet Blue just released a statement--the plane was on an ACTIVE RUNWAY, not "the tarmac" MADem Jun 2014 #132

Now let's see if anyone here backtracks... Agschmid Jun 2014 #133

What, and have a kind word for a non-union wage slave? MADem Jun 2014 #135

The Flight Attendant Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #150

Delaying take offs and landings because someone is in the can costs $$$... Cannikin Jun 2014 #5

They were in line to take off. They weren't at the gate. They announced they were turning BACK MADem Jun 2014 #13

They had been sitting, unmoving, on the tarmac for 30 minutes. Sometimes planes pnwmom Jun 2014 #18

It doesn't matter--if you are away from the gate, the plane has the capacity to move. MADem Jun 2014 #22

Wrong. The strict tarmac regulations require delayed flights to let passengers use the facilities. pnwmom Jun 2014 #23

That's if they're parked and not moving. They've simply cleared the gate so another plane could MADem Jun 2014 #28

They were parked on the tarmac and had been for a half hour. pnwmom Jun 2014 #31

I think they were on a taxiway. MADem Jun 2014 #34

How do you know the FA wasn't having a bad day? You really have never heard of someone pnwmom Jun 2014 #37

Well, the poor woman has already been flung under the bus...by "The Daily Caller" no less. MADem Jun 2014 #50

At first the pilot only knew what the FA chose to tell him. pnwmom Jun 2014 #54

The pilot has situational awareness of what's happening in the cabin. MADem Jun 2014 #66

You're just speculating here. But the FAA regulations and Jet Blue's passenger plan pnwmom Jun 2014 #87

I am providing as much proof as you are and I'm actually reading the links you are providing, which MADem Jun 2014 #102

Where does it say anywhere that they were enroute to the runway? pnwmom Jun 2014 #103

Because, for the tenth time, if they were in DELAY MODE, the door would be OPEN, and MADem Jun 2014 #110

For the 11th time, you're wrong. These rules apply when the plane is NOT pulled up to the gate pnwmom Jun 2014 #120

Jet Blue also said this when someone asked about the matter: MADem Jun 2014 #122

That is very true. There ARE very strict FAA regulations when a plane is on the tarmac. pnwmom Jun 2014 #124

They were on an active tarmac, not in delay mode. MADem Jun 2014 #125

The plane was stuck on the ground at the time and FAA regulations pnwmom Jun 2014 #16

jet blue has apologized for the incident. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #6

No win situation. The FAA should apologize. The airport should apologize. MADem Jun 2014 #25

Talk about by the book assholes! BootinUp Jun 2014 #11

.... MADem Jun 2014 #14

Why doesn't the FAA change its regs so that when the plane is immobile on the tarmac pnwmom Jun 2014 #17

Because when the plane jerks forward, people fall in the aisles and hit their heads or MADem Jun 2014 #26

They had been stopped on the tarmac for a half hour, and the FAA requires that passengers pnwmom Jun 2014 #27

Sounds to me like they were in line on a taxiway. MADem Jun 2014 #30

Not a word in that quote says that. We know they were on the tarmac. To go back to pnwmom Jun 2014 #33

I don't think you're right, but we'll never know, since neither one of us was on the plane. MADem Jun 2014 #38

It's not absurd to think that an overworked FA was having a bad day pnwmom Jun 2014 #42

I don't think that happened, though. MADem Jun 2014 #46

I already read your other post. BootinUp Jun 2014 #43

The pilot DID turn back. From the article: MADem Jun 2014 #45

And now they all get to undergo sensitivity training BootinUp Jun 2014 #55

Sensitivity training = Break the rules when you feel you must, but we'll still fire you if we feel MADem Jun 2014 #67

I HATE flying. mnhtnbb Jun 2014 #19

WTF?! sakabatou Jun 2014 #24

Flight attendants are generally meaner and nastier than they used to be bluestateguy Jun 2014 #29

I know quite a few FAs. They work hard and get paid shit. MADem Jun 2014 #32

Like the one trolling this thread? alphafemale Jun 2014 #149

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely rock Jun 2014 #35

Power corrupts? They're the lowest paid workers in the pecking order! MADem Jun 2014 #40

I didn't say anything about money rock Jun 2014 #51

Again, they are nothing but an extension of the PILOT and co-pilot. The captain has MADem Jun 2014 #63

Indeed quakerboy Jun 2014 #58

The head MF in charge on that aircraft is the PILOT, not the FAs. MADem Jun 2014 #61

The same applies to Pilots quakerboy Jun 2014 #123

JB pilots finally got a union, I think. The FAs haven't gotten one yet--bet this pushes them to get MADem Jun 2014 #126

I'm glad I can't afford to fly anywhere. There's no way I could hold it in a Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #36

Unfortunate but I don't think it all rests with the flight attendant gollygee Jun 2014 #41

How could they have known there was going to be a 30 minute wait? BuelahWitch Jun 2014 #47

30 minutes isn't that long gollygee Jun 2014 #49

Really? Egnever Jun 2014 #68

Two things gollygee Jun 2014 #154

Right cause when you go to the airport to get on a plane Egnever Jun 2014 #160

Many 3-year-olds are not completely potty trained gollygee Jun 2014 #163

There's a problem with how the family was treated here...but the story was way too harsh to the FA Ken Burch Jun 2014 #48

FINALLY!!! Someone jumps to the defense of the lowly worker!!! MADem Jun 2014 #70

I don't think most people would "enjoy" being mean to a single 3 yr old for sport. However Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #93

+1 BootinUp Jun 2014 #95

According to this charming account from the DAILY CALLER, anyway. MADem Jun 2014 #106

My alternative is to stay at home, whenever possible. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #115

Look I see your point--I truly do. I am no fan of the slog, the mess, the frustration. MADem Jun 2014 #119

Except the rules were misinterpreted by the FA. pnwmom Jun 2014 #107

It could also be that the rules weren't explained properly TO the FA. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #129

The other piece of this is that the off-duty pilot who observed the situation pnwmom Jun 2014 #138

He probably was GOING TO WORK. MADem Jun 2014 #139

More of your speculation, based on nothing. pnwmom Jun 2014 #140

You are a very rude person. I saw it on TELEVISION. MADem Jun 2014 #141

I will believe it when I see it in writing. That's pretty standard around here. pnwmom Jun 2014 #142

And will you retract your statements? MADem Jun 2014 #143

Everything I've said has been based on the information that is out there. pnwmom Jun 2014 #144

Found something similar to what I heard on TV last night. MADem Jun 2014 #156

Obviously, the issue wasn't handled properly. We agree there. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #155

You do realize the Daily Caller wrote this story, right? alp227 Jun 2014 #52

I'm surprised the headline didn't read "Grumpy Bee Word DAME Screws Over Innocent Little KID!!1!" MADem Jun 2014 #72

If the plane was moving, the flight attendant had no choice. Warpy Jun 2014 #59

It was parked on the tarmac. Jet Blue has apologized, pnwmom Jun 2014 #121

It was on an active runway. They gave mom fifty bucks to shut her up, they did not refund the MADem Jun 2014 #137

true story here onethatcares Jun 2014 #60

Gerard Depardieu...zat is obviously NOT you!!!!! MADem Jun 2014 #76

I think she realized onethatcares Jun 2014 #97

Isn't that child abuse? Sounds like a pedophile to me. A sick one. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #69

Read the whole thread, and don't believe the DAILY CALLER spin... nt MADem Jun 2014 #74

I would nave been sent to security 2pooped2pop Jun 2014 #77

At the least, this becomes as ADA issue when you have someone with bladder problems. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #78

No, it doesn't. No one is denied a bathroom for more than a half hour. MADem Jun 2014 #81

No one is denied a bathroom as long as the plane's just sitting on the tarmac. pnwmom Jun 2014 #85

But if they are taxiing for take-off, even if they are stopping every so often, they are not in MADem Jun 2014 #113

There is no indication in any article that they were taxiing for takeoff. pnwmom Jun 2014 #114

You are correct. FAA regulations require passengers to have access to working restrooms pnwmom Jun 2014 #90

The Little Chieftan syndrome. Rampant on airplanes. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #89

THE PLANE WAS ON AN ACTIVE TAXIWAY, PER JET BLUE. MADem Jun 2014 #131

If that's the case, I stand corrected. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #147

They were on the runway!!!! MADem Jun 2014 #157

Hmmm. Seems there is some disagreement as to whether this was "tarmac" or "active taxiing" Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #161

JB statement said "runway." MADem Jun 2014 #166

I don't think the attendant had an discretion to use in this case. RandySF Jun 2014 #111

Damn.. two words.. Cha Jun 2014 #118

Two more, Cha--Pull Ups. MADem Jun 2014 #134

Oh yeah, if the plane was getting ready to take off.. then Common Sense has Cha Jun 2014 #136

No one reading JetBlue's own policy clearly stated on their website pnwmom Jun 2014 #145

The woman wasn't telling the truth. MADem Jun 2014 #146

Uh-huh. Then why did Jet Blue make a public statement of apology and confirm pnwmom Jun 2014 #148

I've posted this elsewhere but I'll put it here in case you missed the other post. MADem Jun 2014 #159

You no longer Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #151

I think you're mistaken. I was on a flight last month and MADem Jun 2014 #158

Maybe it depends on Dorian Gray Jun 2014 #164

Ah yes, jetBlue. KamaAina Jun 2014 #162

Too bad pipi_k Jun 2014 #165