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moriah

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48. Social services intervention is not supposed to be adversarial.

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 03:24 PM

Jun 2014

Yes, they will involve police to do a welfare check -- had mopinko simply called the hotline instead of the police, police would still have been sent. That's standard procedure. In abuse cases, including sexual abuse, there are also mandated reports made to the police -- but those people *are* criminals. After that, it's handled by a different system unless the conduct was criminal abandonment.

Child protection is not about the parents. It's about the kids. And yes, the system is smart enough to realize that supportive services are going to help resolve far more cases of neglect (neglect is, by definition, not intentional abuse) than removing kids will. That's why the money is there to help those families who come to the attention of the system, rather than take their kids away.

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A woman working the overnight shift to earn money [View all] boston bean Jun 2014 OP

I'm curious. Why did you start another thread about this? MineralMan Jun 2014 #1

Why do you start threads? Your answer would probably be the same I would give. boston bean Jun 2014 #2

I posted to you because I was curious. MineralMan Jun 2014 #6

Police your own threads, please don't police mine. boston bean Jun 2014 #9

One of the wonderful things about DU is that all MineralMan Jun 2014 #14

One of the wonderful things about DU is that all can post on DU boston bean Jun 2014 #16

Are you sure? I guess you better check in first with MM from now on. Rex Jun 2014 #27

I know, then he accuses me of trying to control his posting habits. boston bean Jun 2014 #30

Apparently, we all need to check in first with MM before posting in GD. raccoon Jun 2014 #109

Sure. It's fine. But my question remains. You will post whatever you like. MineralMan Jun 2014 #38

Your question doesn't remain. As I said above, it would be the same boston bean Jun 2014 #44

I completely agree with your OP. FarPoint Jun 2014 #85

What doesn't make sense? That someone wants to talk about it further? Rex Jun 2014 #25

Clearly, you cannot answer my question. MineralMan Jun 2014 #37

depends on what is happening to the child while the woman is away working doesn't it nt msongs Jun 2014 #3

Poor people shouldn't have babies? That would solve it all, wouldn't it? boston bean Jun 2014 #8

You really think social services are the child-snatching Gestapo, don't you? moriah Jun 2014 #40

None of the above. I think the way we treat the poor like criminals boston bean Jun 2014 #45

Social services intervention is not supposed to be adversarial. moriah Jun 2014 #48

Our society should be helping not holding your children over the heads of parents boston bean Jun 2014 #50

Adequate supervision is a basic necessity. moriah Jun 2014 #53

What a terrible mother she was! boston bean Jun 2014 #54

Again with the Gestapo child-snatching rhetoric. moriah Jun 2014 #56

I wonder why passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #76

that's what they are suppose to do 2pooped2pop Jun 2014 #81

I guess the b-word is acceptable pintobean Jun 2014 #88

what? 2pooped2pop Jun 2014 #89

How about now? pintobean Jun 2014 #95

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #91

Perhaps the children are 840high Jun 2014 #46

Again with this? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #4

Leaving children unattended who are too young to care for themselves IS neglect Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #5

Exactly. Neglect stemming from good intent is still neglect Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #28

Well put. I'm not sure why so many are struggling with comprehending this. Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #29

I think people are struggling with how black and white this is to some elias7 Jun 2014 #108

Slow weekend? nt Union Scribe Jun 2014 #7

You can't leave a young child in the care of another young child Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #10

If leaving a 10 yr old to care for a younger child is ok aikoaiko Jun 2014 #11

I am re-posting my replies i posted the other "threads" in this vein etherealtruth Jun 2014 #12

Thank you. I think my point has flown over most persons head in this thread. boston bean Jun 2014 #13

can i hook up on your post and say ya... all this. seabeyond Jun 2014 #17

No one appears interested in discussing this aspect of the "problem" etherealtruth Jun 2014 #20

Much more fun to speculate about the poor mother. Rex Jun 2014 #22

This woman did not leave her children unattended overnight. boston bean Jun 2014 #47

Yes it does, the dishonesty is really telling here. Rex Jun 2014 #55

The story's changed so many times, it's difficult to believe any of it. smokey nj Jun 2014 #63

^THIS Jamastiene Jun 2014 #92

i have a niece. who has two little ones. she is working from this place. while seabeyond Jun 2014 #23

Sorry, but "I am poor" doesn't excuse neglect Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #32

In the context of my posts and this thread your response makes little sense etherealtruth Jun 2014 #36

Of course being poor doesn't excuse neglect. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #70

Unfortunately, you are asking serious questions that should be answered, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #74

That's why I didn't comment on specifics of the situation etherealtruth Jun 2014 #78

well said, thank you n/t riverwalker Jun 2014 #15

I don't think we should damn anyone based on a one-sided and inconsistent account posted on an smokey nj Jun 2014 #18

There is that too. But how we as a society treat this as neglect boston bean Jun 2014 #19

Did you see this OP? Autumn Jun 2014 #51

That is what I said from the very beginning. We have one side of the story Rex Jun 2014 #24

Not just this site...her garbage pat on the back..but they wont let me be alone with the 5 year old Drew Richards Jun 2014 #58

And yet in another reply, she is loved by the mom and the kids! Rex Jun 2014 #61

Yeah that is highly questionable...more like they are freaked out by her... Drew Richards Jun 2014 #62

Yeah she is giving out strange vibes, because she wants to be accepted Rex Jun 2014 #64

just to control, I think 2pooped2pop Jun 2014 #71

Young children left alone overnight ought to be checked into. Kaleva Jun 2014 #21

neglect is neglect TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #26

There are lot of resources for single mothers Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #31

Sometimes a parent's best is not good enough. That's when the system *should* be stepping in. moriah Jun 2014 #33

Well said Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #35

I know this will shock some but ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #34

Kinda sick that folk can be and are .... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #39

I remember a local female anchor showing utter CONTEMPT for parents of "latchkey kids"... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #41

I was surprised to see so many of DU's preachers declare that business is business Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #42

Single parents often have to make accomodations that MineralMan Jun 2014 #43

I am confused...it seems like the most important aspect of raising a child is food, shelter and Tikki Jun 2014 #49

What if the children are four years old and three months old? FBaggins Jun 2014 #52

Ok what if they are .... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #57

Society has obligations here... FBaggins Jun 2014 #59

Suggesting it's not neglect, and therefore should not be reported to the proper authorities.... moriah Jun 2014 #60

Find a post where I have said that ... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #66

I'm hostile to people suggesting neglect isn't neglect just because the mom is sympathetic. moriah Jun 2014 #96

That is not what most have taken from the OP etherealtruth Jun 2014 #100

Maybe not adequate, but it's more help than they were getting before. moriah Jun 2014 #103

Personally, after 20 years as an MSW, I've almost given up caring what people think DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #69

You can't win as a social worker etherealtruth Jun 2014 #75

"Do you really believe that you are provided adequate staffing and funding to provide the services" DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #79

I think people were actually doubting the motives of the OP that stared this etherealtruth Jun 2014 #84

I'll play hypothetical, sure. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #105

Thanks ... this is very consistent with what I hear from friends etherealtruth Jun 2014 #106

You're supposed to call the cops when children under the age of 12 are left home alone. rocktivity Jun 2014 #65

You do know that is not true, correct? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #68

Some information, as requested. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #72

Thank you, that certainly disproves the post etherealtruth Jun 2014 #80

Law in regards to Illinois Kaleva Jun 2014 #94

Again thanks ... it disputes the post that authorities must be called everytime a child under 12 etherealtruth Jun 2014 #97

It also suggests that leaving them overnight (8 hours) is a criminal offense. moriah Jun 2014 #99

In Maryland that would be 8 years old. etherealtruth Jun 2014 #101

Yes, it's up to the authorities to make that determination on a case by case basis. Kaleva Jun 2014 #104

I saw that too.... moriah Jun 2014 #98

It certainly was true when I grew up in New York City. rocktivity Jun 2014 #77

This night versus day supervision has always confused me. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #67

Concur. edgineered Jun 2014 #73

I have always been a night owl. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #93

I dunno quakerboy Jun 2014 #107

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #82

Errr... It's Ms. Bean BTW Texasgal Jun 2014 #86

Are you aware your post is rife with xenophobia? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #87

USA! USA! USA! Tree-Hugger Jun 2014 #90

There was a huge scandal in Boston in the 80s Warpy Jun 2014 #83

I agree with your post.... chillfactor Jun 2014 #102