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105. Ah more personal attacks. Lovely

Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:38 PM

Jun 2014

yes, yes I am, just putting away the media credentials before going downtown. And I know that in this case we have five independent sources that confirm her involvement. One of them is the person herself. Even the BBC would say that is good enough confirmation. Hell, the top journalism schools usually speak of two... we have five.

And as a historian, her writings are considered primary sources.

Avoid all of that, please do. But all this, if she decides to run, will come back. Or at least it should

So expect all this to continue to percolate as they say. I am sure she is sorry she wrote the words she wrote though. In 2008 they were very understandable. Precious few people knew who the Family was. in 2016 those will be a liability. You know who else participated in those prayers? The President himself, and I do not mean the prayer breakfast.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Jun 2014 OP

This one did it...in goes Hillary Clinton to my trashed words until November 2014 is over. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2014 #1

not ready? bigtree Jun 2014 #2

Working for Wendy. Too soon for 2016. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2014 #3

Wendy bigtree Jun 2014 #6

Well, you weren't too happy with my post about her statements pre-Iraq... madfloridian Jun 2014 #9

I agreed with half of what you posted bigtree Jun 2014 #11

Poster is referring to Wendy Davis, running for Gov in Tx Bongo Prophet Jun 2014 #46

I was thinking Texas bigtree Jun 2014 #58

Wendy Davis WhiteTara Jun 2014 #113

Trashing words? enlightenment Jun 2014 #12

click on bigtree Jun 2014 #15

Thank you. enlightenment Jun 2014 #32

How much you wanna bet they can't... TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #4

I spent two days on this. Everything points to tactical association. joshcryer Jun 2014 #7

so we shouldn't believe what a potential nominee says but instead try to interpret what they piratefish08 Jun 2014 #22

Who was the communist she worked for? treestar Jun 2014 #61

Thank you for doing the research, josh. Research: Who'da thunk it? Hekate Jun 2014 #76

You think she's that cynical? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #141

I have several reputable sources that tie them together. madfloridian Jun 2014 #8

well, we can see all the references to Coe, but there's not a thing specific to Hillary bigtree Jun 2014 #10

They aren't the kind of people that I'd go out of my way to "pray" with. delrem Jun 2014 #13

Obama did the weekly Senate Prayer meeting. joshcryer Jun 2014 #17

Good for him. Does that give you a thrill? delrem Jun 2014 #18

There's a 2007 Mother Jones article that is a little more specific. madfloridian Jun 2014 #14

"...prayed with them a few times." ? Maedhros Jun 2014 #83

uh, uh bigtree Jun 2014 #87

I certainly wouldn't remain a part of an organization for 15+ years Maedhros Jun 2014 #88

I'm almost certain that she hasn't 'remained part of that org' for 15 years bigtree Jun 2014 #94

Here's what I have: Maedhros Jun 2014 #109

so what you have is her statement. Check. bigtree Jun 2014 #111

She praises Coe. With his track record, that praise makes me uncomfortable with her Maedhros Jun 2014 #115

sounds fair for you to make your own judgement bigtree Jun 2014 #120

To be honest, it's not really a fair question. Maedhros Jun 2014 #131

if it's not a fair question, then it's not a fair to make the conclusions based on it bigtree Jun 2014 #133

Other than what she wrote in her memoir? Maedhros Jun 2014 #134

but, you have absolutely no proof that she approved of his 'agenda' bigtree Jun 2014 #136

I would think that if she disapproved, she wouldn't single him out for praise Maedhros Jun 2014 #137

yeah, the motherjones piece is just a better organized version of DU smears. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #129

Hope to see it eventually. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16

If you have evidence, post it. Otherwise...can you address your debunked comments msanthrope Jun 2014 #19

How about an excerpt from her own book? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #20

The Family is rotten and insidious! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #138

Any politician who has ever attended the National sufrommich Jun 2014 #21

Hillary described Coe as a "mentor" Oilwellian Jun 2014 #24

Coe was a mentor for Chuck Colson, too. grasswire Jun 2014 #60

it's about degree. Hillary was involved with this group weekly, not yearly cali Jun 2014 #140

She constantly stated her opposition to equal rights for some minorities Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #23

many presidents have attended those prayer breakfasts, some attendees have questionable pasts bigtree Jun 2014 #26

She didn't just attend the prayer breakfasts. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #28

you've gone back to that smear of a Mother Jones article bigtree Jun 2014 #31

It's credible in my book. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #33

I don't believe you were ever with her bigtree Jun 2014 #34

I was neutral on her before, but not now. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #37

one sentence of indecipherable praise uttered ages ago about an organizer of the prayer breakfasts?? bigtree Jun 2014 #40

What she said was not vague at all. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #47

indeed it is, and nothing about Hillary since confirms the worst you've gleaned from that comment bigtree Jun 2014 #50

So she has never denied it. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #59

she never denied killing Vince Foster either bigtree Jun 2014 #64

I think that's letting her off a little too easily in this case. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #78

you've stretched those accounts to include Hillary in the worst of it bigtree Jun 2014 #82

She could deny it, why doesn't she? Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #95

It might explain her long time position on Gay Marriage. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #25

or, she just held a wrong view bigtree Jun 2014 #27

Curious. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #29

I think she's the only one that can really speak to what she believes and why bigtree Jun 2014 #30

I don't believe I have done so. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #38

would you say the same if she associated with the KKK for all those years she did with The Fam? Whisp Jun 2014 #35

where's your proof that she 'associated' with the 'Family'? bigtree Jun 2014 #36

It's your choice to believe it or not. Whisp Jun 2014 #39

another lousy piece of reporting bigtree Jun 2014 #41

try googling Doug Coe, you might find some youtube speeches of his Whisp Jun 2014 #42

old statement that amounted to nothing bigtree Jun 2014 #43

Hopefully you will never see how very wrong you are, bigtree. n/t Whisp Jun 2014 #44

let's see. 2007 to 2014 bigtree Jun 2014 #45

and it's not wrong to know that Hillary thinks Very Highly of a sick person. Whisp Jun 2014 #48

how do you know what she really thinks of him from that one statement? bigtree Jun 2014 #49

excuse me? Whisp Jun 2014 #51

How much praise of an active bigot is acceptable to you, bigtree? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #52

you really don't mind lying to make your accusations against me do you? bigtree Jun 2014 #56

Excuse me? The Family is involved in the Ugandan pogroms, Hillary praises the leader of the Family Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #67

she didn't praise him for any of that and you know it bigtree Jun 2014 #72

Iow, Coe is a cool spiritual guy, even though his actions suck. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #80

still stretching bigtree Jun 2014 #84

No, she praised him. You can't deny that. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #93

yeah, she praised him in that one sentence. bigtree Jun 2014 #100

Fine by me. Waiting For Everyman Jun 2014 #107

I find it really odd that saying nice things about an awful man is so easily accepted... Whisp Jun 2014 #106

the fact that she associates and prays with them is enough for me, frankly.... mike_c Jun 2014 #53

It is not just her nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #54

so Hillary wants to lower the standard of living and get rid of the minimum wage? bigtree Jun 2014 #63

The book will tell you who the family is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

does the book provide proof of Hillary's involvement with the participant's transgressions? bigtree Jun 2014 #68

She is mentioned as one of the people who have been part of it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #71

well, I'm not going to repeat all of this for your benefit bigtree Jun 2014 #73

But attendance at the house does nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #74

Oh and working at the Walmart board, who are close allies of Coe nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #77

Link to a sermon about the Family from a Unitarian Minister. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #55

I didn't see Hillary anywhere in there bigtree Jun 2014 #57

It is background on the group whose leader Hillary praises Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #62

you mean 'praised' in one statement bigtree Jun 2014 #66

So one lavish praise of an active bigot is acceptable to you? 'It's just one set of compliments to a Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #70

Nowhere do I say it's 'acceptable' that's just another lie about me from you bigtree Jun 2014 #79

These people are in Jeremiah Wright territory tritsofme Jun 2014 #69

The current spew is beyond belief -- straight-up ratfucking. Hekate Jun 2014 #75

A potential Democratic POTUS candidate hanging out with a dangerous RW extremist group fully Zorra Jun 2014 #81

the only 'hanging out' that's been verified is at the Senate Prayer Breakfasts bigtree Jun 2014 #85

You might want to read this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #86

that article reminds me of what you apparently think constitutes 'reporting' bigtree Jun 2014 #89

Actually you are calling mother jones what I think you are... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #90

I'm referring to one article bigtree Jun 2014 #92

You snould also add into your avoid reading list nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #99

confirmed the remark, not the rest of the accusations. Are you really a reporter? bigtree Jun 2014 #102

Ah more personal attacks. Lovely nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #105

post the sources bigtree Jun 2014 #108

Yuo call bullshit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #112

this is a joke. You've fragmented all of this because you can't actually show a link between Clinton bigtree Jun 2014 #118

You are even discounting her own nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #121

she didn't refer to anything more than the paragraph you posted bigtree Jun 2014 #122

You have not read her nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #124

not read it? It's one sentence and you've spammed this thread with it bigtree Jun 2014 #126

In that case, Mrs. Clinton may want to consider a libel suit against the author of this piece: Zorra Jun 2014 #96

you know that's a non-starter for these public figures bigtree Jun 2014 #103

I knew, without any doubt whatsoever, that you'd come back at me with a personal attack. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #110

are you schooled in reporting? bigtree Jun 2014 #116

News services nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #123

what she wrote isn't proof of an association with anything improper bigtree Jun 2014 #125

The author/reporter/publication can be successfully sued for libel/defamation Zorra Jun 2014 #128

harm to the plaintiff bigtree Jun 2014 #130

Taking the trash out... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #91

so you wouldn't have a problem with someone praying with David Duke, for instance? cali Jun 2014 #97

never claimed to not have a problem with the praise, so that Dave Duke crap bigtree Jun 2014 #127

Bigtree, ignore the bitters. Beacool Jun 2014 #98

Also ignore her autobiography while you are at it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #101

I took a great deal of time trying to discuss issues of substance over the past week bigtree Jun 2014 #104

Let them have it, then. Beacool Jun 2014 #117

"any influence on Hillary Clinton at all beyond her faith." Chan790 Jun 2014 #114

her faith is damning? bigtree Jun 2014 #119

If her faith is in line with this fucked up prosperity cult then it is damning TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #139

fair statement bigtree Jun 2014 #142

bigtree, thanks for taking this on - mostly on your own wyldwolf Jun 2014 #132

Smearing the Clintons is a national past time. Vattel Jun 2014 #135