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Nuclear Unicorn

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72. Whatever. The point is: whatever fantasy stories people opiate themselves with are just that.

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:23 PM

Jun 2014

self-administered anesthetics meant to pacify. The 1% and the PTB aren't going to slit their own financial throats on our behalf. The dreamers can have their 90% marginal rate but there will still be plenty of shelters and trusts to preserve what they want to keep for themselves. At the end of the day nothing will change.

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Populism is a joke -- on us. [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 OP

The Clintons, they do like their money. Ron Green Jun 2014 #1

We need to separate corporatism and state the same way we separate church and state and Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #5

I like my money tooo soooo? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #2

Meanwhile, they pretend to want to, "make the rich pay their fair share." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #6

was FDR pretending too? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #7

FDR's sincerity -- or lack thereof -- would not, in any way, translate to the Clintons. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #9

key phrase "your saying" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #10

No, that's you putting words into my argument that I never considered, let alone made. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #14

you didnt say Hillary who IS eligible to run.....You said "the Clinton's". Bil isnt running is he? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #48

Hillary's eligibility to run is as irrelevant as it is assumed. Everyone knows Hillary is eligible. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #57

I wonder if ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #39

When were the Clintons ever populists? hfojvt Jun 2014 #3

Hillary has not agreed on everything Bill did..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8

"This is bordering on misogyny" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #12

insinuating that HRC and Bill Clinton are synonymous IS misogynous VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #16

The only one making that insinuation is you. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #17

no you talked about "the Clintons" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #20

They're married. They have joint assets. They've both use the same tax dodges. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #22

HE cannot hold the office so his opinion doesnt count... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #52

Bill Clinton's opinion is irrelevant. The fact he preaches one thing and does another is relevant. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #58

actually that was me hfojvt Jun 2014 #33

Gungeonite .. Anti-Clinton Trajan Jun 2014 #4

ding! ding! ding! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #26

I've got no problem with the use of legal tax-reduction strategies. dawg Jun 2014 #11

But that's the point. All the thievery we've been witness to has been done "legally." n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #15

But until we change the law, I would never be in favor of asking Democrats to ... dawg Jun 2014 #18

Or maybe they'll just take our votes and keep doing what they're doing. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #19

I don't think we'll see any true populism any time soon. dawg Jun 2014 #23

That's my exact point, dawg Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #25

A better way is possible, but it requires an electorate that is educated, engaged, and not ... dawg Jun 2014 #29

"an electorate that is educated, engaged, and not blinded by petty tribal distinctions" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #32

Just for the record, I kind of like it. dawg Jun 2014 #37

"Not fair" for the Clintons to pay taxes because some other rich guy isn't? Nice one! nt Romulox Jun 2014 #21

Do you voluntarily compute and pay your income taxes using the pre-Reagan rates? dawg Jun 2014 #24

I pay a decent chunk of salary to causes I believe in--completely voluntarily! Romulox Jun 2014 #31

I'm sure the Clintons give to charity as well. That isn't what I asked. dawg Jun 2014 #34

I DO NOT game the tax code to pay the bare minimum, no. Sorry, not "everybody" does it. nt Romulox Jun 2014 #35

But you still took those Bush tax cuts when they came, right? dawg Jun 2014 #45

The OP is about transferring assets into a "Living trust" to avoid taxes. That's actively gaming Romulox Jun 2014 #51

Unless your estate is valued over $5,250,000, the trust would be pointless for you anyway. dawg Jun 2014 #74

myself, I take advantage of every legal method hfojvt Jun 2014 #49

I like how they found a "Bubba" to put the final nail in the concept the Party of the Working Man. Romulox Jun 2014 #13

why do you think she is he? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #46

Bill and Hillary Clinton (the subjects of the OP, fyi) are a married couple. Hope this helps! Romulox Jun 2014 #47

being married doesnt mean she cant have her own opinions does it....but you and this OP says you VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #50

The first three words of the OP are *literally* "Bill and Hillary Clinton". Romulox Jun 2014 #53

and the entire premise is misogynist tooo. You want that stink on ya? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #56

Criticism of tax avoidance schemes undertaken by Bill and Hillary Clinton is misogynist? Romulox Jun 2014 #59

They're just deflecting the argument. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #76

If they own the property jointly & each contributed ownership interest to the trust ... dawg Jun 2014 #75

No Clinton fan, but this is ludicrous Proud Public Servant Jun 2014 #27

Correct me if I'm wrong but every appeal to populism involves changing a perceived imbalance in Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #30

I agree -- so attack the law Proud Public Servant Jun 2014 #36

If only the Clintons had a platform from which to advocate for the changes you mention! nt Romulox Jun 2014 #44

but, but ... so much easier to attack personalities. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #63

And who are we hoping will change the law? Mitt? Hillary? Who? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #65

all I know is the Joke is on Us and it ain't populsim. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #71

This is a waste of time criticism... randys1 Jun 2014 #28

Bingo (nt) Proud Public Servant Jun 2014 #38

what is a "meaningful change" hfojvt Jun 2014 #42

No, just the opposite, but imagine what it would be if romney was in charge randys1 Jun 2014 #43

if Romney was in charge hfojvt Jun 2014 #54

The blame is on the system and our inability to change it. randys1 Jun 2014 #55

That's what the OP is about. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #60

The joke is only on those who bought the Clinton BS Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #40

What does tax law have to do with populism? BainsBane Jun 2014 #41

The fact the hucksters make populist appeals while they themselves game the system. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #61

the law exists BainsBane Jun 2014 #68

Yeah. The law exists. They take great care to ensure their wealth is protected by The Law. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #69

I don't blame people for minimizing their tax liabilities. I care about changing the law. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #62

But who will change the law? The pols taking advantage of the system aren't going to sign away 90% Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #64

Who's asking them to "sign away 90% of their wealth"? NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #66

It's a reference to the 90% rates under Truman that are so often cited fondly here at DU. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #67

That's a marginal tax rate. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #70

Whatever. The point is: whatever fantasy stories people opiate themselves with are just that. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #72

Of course not. No one is going to vote against their own interest. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #73