General Discussion

arthritisR_US

(7,810 posts)

148. Consider the alternative because a republican prez would be disastrous. nt

Reply to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:01 PM

Jun 2014

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

218 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

The small group of Dems who hate Hillary hated Bill, too. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2014 OP

Dems who lost their jobs thanks to NAFTA? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #1

Or the family members of those lost in a war she supported. Dawgs Jun 2014 #7

They have plenty of excuses for that. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #29

Consider the alternative because a republican prez would be disastrous. nt arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #148

The most important point is Hillary indicates she has changed. People who "hate her" may not lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #177

Of course, unemployment went down and wages went up after NAFTA, at least until Bush came pampango Jun 2014 #155

Obama said a million jobs were lost because of nafta. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #165

Mr. Obama will have to vouch for himself. I assume he thinks TPP is effectively a renegotiation of pampango Jun 2014 #182

NAFTA was a REPUBLICAN idea. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #187

Lowering tariffs and promoting trade have been Democratic, liberal policy since Wilson and FDR. pampango Jun 2014 #193

and of course they will get a better shake from the republicans. Hillary indicates she has changed. lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #176

Union members in the industrial Great Lakes region who got hammered by NAFTA? Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #214

PUMAEWMHPCSPUOE! onehandle Jun 2014 #2

LOL and so it begins. 'hate?' leftstreet Jun 2014 #3

are you saying Obama has not seen racism? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #4

You mean from Hillary's campaign during the primary? leftstreet Jun 2014 #6

this came from the campaign or was the poster discussing DU? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8

You're not making any sense leftstreet Jun 2014 #12

were you around in those days? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #14

LOL the poor, poor 'hated' politicians. I weep n/t leftstreet Jun 2014 #20

The campaign. Hillary's surrogates used racist Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #32

On the DU in 2008 hughee99 Jun 2014 #58

One exception. ieoeja Jun 2014 #62

Allen West and Michele Bachmann have also been victims of racism and sexism. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #163

This Democrat agrees with you strongly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #5

There are two groups, disgruntled Dems who have problems with her but will randys1 Jun 2014 #44

no no no you forgot ideologues from the far left too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #51

I am one of those, but I am a realist as well. randys1 Jun 2014 #56

you cannot be both.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #60

Yes you can, you can be uncompromising with your belief but not as much with randys1 Jun 2014 #63

no words have meanings.....you dont get to make it up out of whole cloth VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #67

I see you've found a new favorite word. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #90

What, "ideologues"? It's a real word known to educated people, and has a real meaning. Hekate Jun 2014 #116

Are you replying for or as Vanilla? nt Union Scribe Jun 2014 #118

Beg pardon? Doncha know we are each other's sock puppet? Hekate Jun 2014 #122

Yes I have and it is appropriate for these parts.....there are alot of them around these parts... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #156

I have the Internet now....perhaps you have heard of it? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #158

What is up with this weird effort to paint smarmy as Eric Cantor as anything but an ideologue? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #168

thats EXACTLY what I mean....ask Eric what the Ideologues are capable of.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #169

He is them. Finding a new extreme doesn't normalize the previous frontier TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #170

you need to read the definition VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #172

I know the definition quite well. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #194

does the term uncompromising come to mind? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #195

I hope I'm not alone, but it really doesn't matter. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #199

I see the RUSHtards are lining up. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #9

Please don't use 'tard', it is really offensive. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #39

As in leotard, dancing together, or jumping. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #71

Yeah right. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #86

yes that is exactly what I meant. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #96

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #103

nope, don't hate hillary. don't hate bill. Detest much of her politics just cali Jun 2014 #10

that is how i would couch it too if I were you... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15

Exactly!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #26

nobody but ideologues...... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #27

lol. I chuckled too. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #126

+1 NCTraveler Jun 2014 #55

But you won't support her as the nominee if she is elected ad the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #128

I will support her, but I will be really worried. Of course, she is better than any Republican adigal Jun 2014 #197

I think Warren would be great to have in a primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #198

I agree - just her presence would push Hillary to the left adigal Jun 2014 #200

I also like Brown of OH. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #201

Oh, I do, too! Nt adigal Jun 2014 #208

No, they don't HATE both.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #11

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #18

Yes I am, and Im beggining to be fed up on this often seen kind of responses, and this mylye2222 Jun 2014 #24

thats just hilarious....you demand the majority recognize you as real VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Can you make a difference between pure "ideologs" and simply someone who says openly what she think? mylye2222 Jun 2014 #41

Wut? Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #85

If Hillary decides to run with no serious opposition sufrommich Jun 2014 #13

Why would expect to see that here? Have you seen it here? I have seen people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #22

and your straight from Drudge "the Family" smear.. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #70

So you don't question Hillary's membership in a group that kills gays? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #80

What? Hillary is part of a group that kills gay people? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #84

The Family is aiding the killing of gays in Uganda. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #89

OMG!!! You'd think David Brock would be on this!!!! Or some other gay rights group! msanthrope Jun 2014 #92

Proof ? lumpy Jun 2014 #113

Rachel Maddow proof enough? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #131

Lots of speculation. If apparently some faction of the Ugandan Family Org. are proposing lumpy Jun 2014 #205

To try to imply that Hillary Clinton is in favor of killing gays is reprehensible. lumpy Jun 2014 #207

That is a pretty broad statement i.e. "The Family is aiding the killing of gays in Uganda". lumpy Jun 2014 #209

The Fellowship, the group she had a 15 year association with, behind gay-killing bill in Uganda. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #133

Really? You'd think gay rights organizations would have uncovered this and condemned her!! msanthrope Jun 2014 #139

That anyone would associate with this despicable group speaks volumes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #161

Either she agreed with their religion... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #162

Yes, very troubling indeed. Yet so many are willing to overlook this major breach of trust, one of many (I don't get it). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #164

Yes, Sabrina, there really is an attack going on right this very minute, only they skipped over... Hekate Jun 2014 #121

it's already started! frylock Jun 2014 #104

Well, the haters are gonna hate. Beacool Jun 2014 #129

Who hates Hillary? Who is this 'small group of haters'? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #16

They just don't appreciate her. Why turning its definition to hatred? mylye2222 Jun 2014 #19

She has been pre-selected for the nomination. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #23

Can't help it. I don't support Corporate policies or Bush wars or those who supported them. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #28

Not only weak, it is divisive and destructive. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #35

Please cite DUers who have ever used the phrase "It's her turn." Particularly anyone from the BOG. Hekate Jun 2014 #124

It's the bull in the china shop turn nolabels Jun 2014 #154

WHO HERE has ever said "It's her turn"? Hekate Jun 2014 #160

Please back up your statement with evidence Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #141

i suggest you try a dictionary.. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #53

Exactly, and it is really contrary to the democratic principle of the primary. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #30

has the primary been called off.....or do you just hate that Hillary has as much tailwind as she doe VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #59

speak of t he devil. .....who earlier suggested HRC is a member of "the Family" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #25

She was (and may still be), but don't let that get in the way of your denial. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #31

proof VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #38

I suppose praying with Klan members wouldn't prove support of the klan either Dragonfli Jun 2014 #77

'The devil'? Really? 'actual hate'?? This is all you have in support of Clinton, to call those who sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

yes and yes VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #40

hmm. They have a word Union Scribe Jun 2014 #127

i have a word too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136

Hate? That's a bullshit word Armstead Jun 2014 #17

maybe the word wasnt meant for you.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #43

The problem with kind of crap is..... Armstead Jun 2014 #54

we have a Primary for that......this is not the right place to trash any potential democrat VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #65

its the smears brought straight from the Freepers that is objectional VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #66

It's a discussion board. Should we just talk about sports? Armstead Jun 2014 #68

who said talk is the same as trash? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #69

When an individual poster talks trash, then yeah, slap it down Armstead Jun 2014 #73

how about this connection to "the Family" smear straight from the darkside tirade VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #74

As I said above -- It's not a monolithic either/or Armstead Jun 2014 #76

then prove they exist VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #138

Dems who got thrown under the bus with DOMA? Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #21

The Dems who dare not speak their name.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #88

I'll support the Dem nominee, but will do whatever I can to try to prevent a neoliberal corporatist Zorra Jun 2014 #34

And with those words you clearly hate Hillary. stillwaiting Jun 2014 #140

Watch the self-righteous uber liberals come by to deny that they hate Hillary. Beacool Jun 2014 #37

Stupid generlizations are wonderful aren't they? Armstead Jun 2014 #46

Name calling is inappropriate. Beacool Jun 2014 #115

They were directed at a whole group, which is what I was objecting to Armstead Jun 2014 #186

they despise her guts.......they didnt use the word hate...so they must not huh VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #47

True shenmue Jun 2014 #42

That is not at all true. Instead, what has happened is that truedelphi Jun 2014 #45

well put. nt navarth Jun 2014 #101

The irony of people who say they will not vote for the Democratic nominee-- BainsBane Jun 2014 #48

Hey, whatever happened in those 2014 congressional mid-term elections? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #49

Some posters here will go to great lengths. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #50

I don't hate them I just will no longer vote for them Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #52

then you are an ideologue VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #61

Maybe but at least I am not a republican or corporate toady Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #72

If you can prove in the 2016 no candidate will not accept corporation donations, you may have Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #79

The reality is as long as you keep voting for corporate candidates things will not change Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #119

oh you think that proves it VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #134

I choose to stand you choose to serve on your knees Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #146

I stand perfectly well as a Democrat....what is your problem with that? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #149

You stand for and with corporations that is what is wrong Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #173

is that what you THINK being a Democrat means? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #174

No supporting corporate candidates is what is wrong with the Democratic Party Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #175

so you are the sole arbitor of that or do the Democrats decide for themselves? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #178

Call yourself whatever you want but in my book those who choose corporations Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #179

are YOU a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #188

For over 34 years but it looking like no longer come 16 Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #190

dont let the door hit ya... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #191

What is your meaning of 'standing for and with corporations' ? lumpy Jun 2014 #204

Do you have experience running campaigns and know how much they cost? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #145

No he/she doesn't obviously!~ VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #150

EW spent $42 M for a senator run and still owed money, still haven't had a takeron Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #151

Clueless...simply clueless... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

What the hell is corporate candidate? lumpy Jun 2014 #203

Oh yes, everyone who dont kiss the feets of Queen Hillary is a RW, ideologue, Rep.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #102

you do know there are leftwing ideologues right? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #137

An ideologue is also someone that will support a candidate without even A Simple Game Jun 2014 #132

Look back further... wyldwolf Jun 2014 #57

Note: Hillary is not the nominee. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #107

based on past behavior, some of you are petrified she will be wyldwolf Jun 2014 #110

Slime is as Slime does bobduca Jun 2014 #181

Cut From The Same Cloth - DLC Shills - Hillary And Bill cantbeserious Jun 2014 #64

I didn't always agree with President Clinton but I did love the man. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #75

Hillary is likeable enough. MoonchildCA Jun 2014 #78

Or you could be totally, completely wrong LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #81

WTF? hobbit709 Jun 2014 #82

I love Straight folks who toss the word 'hate' around as if it meant 'you don't agree with me'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #83

The majority of gays, myself included, support Hillary. Metric System Jun 2014 #135

I don't hate her. I just don't want her as president. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #87

Can we retire this lame-ass "hater" meme to describe ideological differences? yurbud Jun 2014 #91

...^ that x100 840high Jun 2014 #97

Yeah, we heard that "hate" crap JoeyT Jun 2014 #93

??????? TRoN33 Jun 2014 #94

Maybe some Democrats think 32 years of corporatists in the WH is enough? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #95

The substantial number of Dems who opposed Bill w/o "hating" him, OTOH... TygrBright Jun 2014 #98

K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2014 #99

i remember it well here at DU back when president clinton was in office.. frylock Jun 2014 #100

did the OP mention DU? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #105

so where, exactly, is this "small group of Dems who hate Hillary?" frylock Jun 2014 #106

:shrug: wyldwolf Jun 2014 #109

Thanks for your post. Yes I remember those events well. lumpy Jun 2014 #210

DU was started in 2001. Clinton wasn't in office then. Pathwalker Jun 2014 #218

Are you Mark Penn? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #108

brilliant retort. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #111

More likely one of his assistants...maybe even his PA Dragonfli Jun 2014 #142

Not really. joshcryer Jun 2014 #112

You are wrong! I loved Bill and Hillary. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #114

Same for me, I was as adament as any of the BOG folks in their unquestioning loyalty Dragonfli Jun 2014 #147

We are certainly on the same page. The OP is way way off. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #153

Bottom line. This nation has suffered moreso and tremendousy under Republican leadership. lumpy Jun 2014 #211

What you say is true. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #213

I'll work for whomever wins the spot.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #117

Right. Just like all those who criticize Obama and his policies are racists quinnox Jun 2014 #120

"D-Punjab." LLD Jun 2014 #123

BS, most who hate Hillary will vote for her in general! nt Logical Jun 2014 #125

I hope a good number of people run in the Democratic primaries in MineralMan Jun 2014 #130

I will support Bernie, although not my first choice. Oh hell, I will alway support the lumpy Jun 2014 #212

I actually prefer Bill to Hillary. I don't hate either of them. Vattel Jun 2014 #143

No more Clintons. bigwillq Jun 2014 #144

What a bunch of horse manure pscot Jun 2014 #157

Cricism of Hillary = hatred of Hillary. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #159

I don't think any Dems hate Hillary. Some may not like her Autumn Jun 2014 #166

Flame bate much? Caretha Jun 2014 #167

pnwmom, have you reconsidered? Enthusiast Jun 2014 #171

I remember back in the run-up to the 2008 election... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #180

Idiotic whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #183

Probably many voters who dislike Hillary PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #184

I remember the Bill Clinton years. They were an unrealistic bubble that led to subsequent disasters Armstead Jun 2014 #189

Disagree. The subsequent disasters were Bush's fault, not Clinton's. pampango Jun 2014 #192

I don't politically agree with right wing Democrats, i don't *hate* anybody. nt m-lekktor Jun 2014 #185

After Hillary's NPR interview with Terry Gross, I worry she isn't ready adigal Jun 2014 #196

No, she's not thin skinned. Are you quoting Rove? Nice going...... Beacool Jun 2014 #202

Do you hear tone? Do you read that in people? adigal Jun 2014 #206

Hillary was defensive because she doesn't suffer fools gladly Beacool Jun 2014 #215

That wouldn't make her defensive, that would make her annoyed adigal Jun 2014 #216

She'll do just fine. Beacool Jun 2014 #217