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nomorenomore08

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97. Read the "edit" at the bottom of my post.

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 07:19 PM

Jun 2014

And of course we all have some control over our lives. But circumstance determines more about us than most of us would like to believe.

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Since when did the words "personal responsibility" become taboo? [View all] clarice Jun 2014 OP

We live an either or society in a lot of ways el_bryanto Jun 2014 #1

This jollyreaper2112 Jun 2014 #7

When the repugs repeatedly and hypocritically misused and abused it lame54 Jun 2014 #2

Yes. Orrex Jun 2014 #8

and something they never practice... lame54 Jun 2014 #11

Personal Responsibility, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #3

Um....ok. nt clarice Jun 2014 #4

In Other Words, Sir, As The Kids Would Say --- You Got Nuthin' The Magistrate Jun 2014 #12

First of all. please stop calling me Sir, clarice Jun 2014 #13

Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #14

My pleasure sir, and good luck with the Eurotophobia. nt clarice Jun 2014 #17

That's the way The Magistrate talks to people--most of us like it and find it distinctive. MADem Jun 2014 #15

Ok...maybe it's me... clarice Jun 2014 #16

Fair Enough, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #18

Thank you sir, and please disregard the post about Eurotophobia...bad girl !!!! nt clarice Jun 2014 #19

No Hard Feelings, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #20

No hard feelings at all sir...... clarice Jun 2014 #28

More Philia Than Phobia, Ma'am, Where That Is Concerned The Magistrate Jun 2014 #34

lol. nt clarice Jun 2014 #37

When you see Clarice this image doesn't instantly come into your mind? snooper2 Jun 2014 #25

It May Now, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #27

lol !!!!!! good one. nt clarice Jun 2014 #29

Maybe...and here's why. MADem Jun 2014 #21

Didn't think of that....time to update profile. nt clarice Jun 2014 #30

Speak for yourself Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #44

Clearly, when I said "most of us" I wasn't talking about YOU. MADem Jun 2014 #59

+1 daleanime Jun 2014 #5

that's well said even if I don't entirely agree cali Jun 2014 #6

That Is One Of The Contingent Factors, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2014 #10

We don't hold the very wealthy responsible for their actions, by and large. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #45

They Take The Flip Side Of It, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #52

Perfectly stated. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #53

Good explanation of how they feel and think, but truedelphi Jun 2014 #151

Respectfully......... clarice Jun 2014 #68

It is often perfectly right and just to hold people personally responsible for their choices. Vattel Jun 2014 #56

It Certainly Can Be, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #57

You seem to have missed my point but maybe I am not understanding you. Vattel Jun 2014 #60

Couldn't have said it better. nt clarice Jun 2014 #69

Social Order Certainly Requires It, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #102

Everything you say here is consistent with what I said. Vattel Jun 2014 #135

Then We Would Seem Met in Agreement, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #136

Cheers. Vattel Jun 2014 #137

Exactly...nt clarice Jun 2014 #91

You said it better than I did. Well stated. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #40

Good stuff there. panader0 Jun 2014 #64

Since it tends to be used about those who have been railroaded by the system intaglio Jun 2014 #9

YES....What you are saying. Precisely. None of the benefits, all of the blame. MADem Jun 2014 #23

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #183

Right Wing Doublespeak. They delibrately distort the language. hunter Jun 2014 #22

I hear you but....... clarice Jun 2014 #31

Nope. Not agreed. Too much baggage. hunter Jun 2014 #41

Expecting people to fix what they didn't break is really the crux of the matter. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #46

That Is A Very Important Point, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #55

I do try to fix that stuff too. hunter Jun 2014 #61

Then it only makes sense to make the most that you can WITH it. nt clarice Jun 2014 #70

Of course. But when some people fall short, we shouldn't automatically blame them as individuals. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #73

We need to examine what caused those "Difficult Circumstances"..... clarice Jun 2014 #75

In most cases, no. Most poor people were born poor, a lot of criminals had criminals for parents. nt nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #78

Then following that thought...... clarice Jun 2014 #81

Someone may have down the line, I suppose. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #85

I can give you many examples of..... clarice Jun 2014 #87

Doesn't mean you can just condemn everyone else out of hand. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #93

I disagree....... clarice Jun 2014 #94

Read the "edit" at the bottom of my post. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #97

Ah ha...now we are at the crux of the issue..... clarice Jun 2014 #104

I mean the circumstances someone is *born into*. Like who their parents are. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #107

No...of course we can't.... clarice Jun 2014 #110

We aren't really masters of our own fate gollygee Jun 2014 #99

But what is ACTUALLY wrong with the term... clarice Jun 2014 #112

"It's easier to throw cliched bromides out than it is to address the REAL problem." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #114

Ok...if we shouldn't reduce everything to individual choice...... clarice Jun 2014 #147

It's not that we're not responsible for our own actions. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #152

Agreed. Thanks for the nice civil conversation. nt clarice Jun 2014 #153

No problem. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #155

Thank you for putting it so well. This is basically the argument I was trying to make. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #116

They were more lucky than smart eridani Jun 2014 #139

How do you KNOW that ? nt clarice Jun 2014 #144

Because externals matter a lot more. In 2007, all kinds of smart people-- eridani Jun 2014 #158

I still believe that smarts AND common sense.... clarice Jun 2014 #166

And unicorns poop rainbows eridani Jun 2014 #187

I'm sorry if my optimism offends you. nt clarice Jun 2014 #189

That kind of optimism is what is sending this country down the tubes. eridani Jun 2014 #207

She sounds like a very negative person. nt clarice Jun 2014 #208

Having re-read carefully........ clarice Jun 2014 #210

Whereas terminally perky nutcases just crash the economy periodically with their cheery-- eridani Jun 2014 #211

Why are you so bitter? nt clarice Jun 2014 #215

Why are you so shallow? n/t eridani Jun 2014 #222

I would like clarice to follow up on this question. U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #240

wow. You're unfamiliar with Ehrenreich? RainDog Jun 2014 #213

I would consider myself more of a moderate.....calm down, life is GOOD ! nt clarice Jun 2014 #216

vapidity is not a value to many people RainDog Jun 2014 #219

Be that as it may....sometimes it helps... clarice Jun 2014 #220

LOL n/t RainDog Jun 2014 #221

That is not it at all. alarimer Jun 2014 #250

My biological dad is an abuser mythology Jun 2014 #122

I know what you mean. We can all at least *try* to do better than others before us did. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #123

Then what term would you use for those of us who "self govern ?.nt clarice Jun 2014 #72

Everybody "self governs." hunter Jun 2014 #162

well said. nt clarice Jun 2014 #163

When it became a RW meme to blame people for things outside their control Taitertots Jun 2014 #24

Lets see some personal responsibility from Wall Street and american corps randys1 Jun 2014 #26

Personal responsibility is a trait that should transcend socioeconomic boundries. IMO. nt clarice Jun 2014 #33

We have a private prison system that makes billions of dollars imprisoning all kinds of people. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #32

With all respect..... clarice Jun 2014 #36

It's been horribly misused for so long... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #35

Perhaps so. thanks nt clarice Jun 2014 #38

That's the essence of "libertarian" bullshit: believing people's actions occur in a vacuum. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #48

"peoples actions occur in a vacuum"..... clarice Jun 2014 #67

That their circumstances and environment have nothing to do with their actions or ultimate fate. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #71

They don't ????!!!! Then what does? nt clarice Jun 2014 #74

I'm talking about the right-wing "libertarian" argument, not necessarily an argument anyone on DU nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #80

cool...I misread. Peace. nt clarice Jun 2014 #83

Take personal responsbility and stop eating crap. bigwillq Jun 2014 #98

Actually we're told to eat crap every single day we watch tv. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #109

Most of the things we do are our own fault. bigwillq Jun 2014 #111

We do have some ability to change things, yes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #113

Oh, I totally agree with your last paragraph. bigwillq Jun 2014 #117

So tell me how somebody who's been raised by parents ill-informed about nutrition alp227 Jun 2014 #127

People need to take responsibility by informing themselves bigwillq Jun 2014 #133

When it became a racist code word, and when those who use it freely... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #39

I'm a moderate and I use the term frequently.....and I'm CERTAINLY not a racist. nt clarice Jun 2014 #76

Think Paul Ryan, Mittns Rmoney and the like... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #82

That's my whole point....thank you. clarice Jun 2014 #86

Yup...nt joeybee12 Jun 2014 #89

'personal responsibility' is right up there with 'family values' xchrom Jun 2014 #42

My family has values......we teach our children at a very young age. Nothing to scoff at. nt clarice Jun 2014 #43

... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #50

Thank you....nt clarice Jun 2014 #77

It's become Republican code-speak treestar Jun 2014 #47

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #49

I'm sorry....I'm a little lost..... clarice Jun 2014 #79

because if you're born in the lucky club, your worst decisions have a lot less consequences.... bettyellen Jun 2014 #121

Exactly. I don't see how anyone can deny that. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #129

I loved your suggestion to apply it to the corporate/ economic elite! Perfect. bettyellen Jun 2014 #132

Code speak treestar Jun 2014 #159

When the word was grossly overused and abused by the right wing for decades. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #51

when I was growing up I never heard of personal responsibility gwheezie Jun 2014 #54

Poor choice by the parental units.....but we can overcome !! nt clarice Jun 2014 #90

It went out of favor the day we suggested it could be applied to Republicans Warpy Jun 2014 #58

January 20, 2001 lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #62

Point ? nt clarice Jun 2014 #92

That's the date "personal responsibility" became irrelevant. lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #96

IMO...Personal responsiblity...... clarice Jun 2014 #100

You're a parent. That's why it's bugging you. mainer Jun 2014 #63

How many of those in prisons are there because of a corrupt system and rasicm MattBaggins Jun 2014 #65

I'm not sure.......do you have the figures? Thanks. nt. clarice Jun 2014 #66

More people need to take personal responsibilty for their actions. bigwillq Jun 2014 #84

* sarcasm* ? nt clarice Jun 2014 #88

No. bigwillq Jun 2014 #95

My apologies and thanks....nt clarice Jun 2014 #101

Yes. Growing up that 840high Jun 2014 #115

Mine too. bigwillq Jun 2014 #118

BECAUSE Skittles Jun 2014 #103

Then let's take the term BACK !!!! clarice Jun 2014 #106

We can start by applying it heavily to the corporate and political elite. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #130

Why give them power? 840high Jun 2014 #119

*I* don't - I call them out on their garbage every time Skittles Jun 2014 #125

As a former medical person, I agree with you. Smoke? You reap the consequences. mainer Jun 2014 #105

Yes...it is their DESCISION to smoke....and a very bad one at that.... clarice Jun 2014 #108

The right made them do it. 840high Jun 2014 #120

lol...that's CORRECT...I forgot about the right ! nt clarice Jun 2014 #143

Maybe having to deal with people like you on a daily basis? Live and Learn Jun 2014 #180

What do you mean? Was that a personal attack ? Are you a repug? nt clarice Jun 2014 #205

As a former medical person ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #138

Yes, addiction excuses everything. mainer Jun 2014 #140

That's not how it works pipi_k Jun 2014 #141

It excuses a Wall Street trader's continual need to accrue cash, as well mainer Jun 2014 #142

No, it doesn't. It explains it. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #234

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #181

How about non-smokers who get lung cancer? Are they reaping what they sow? tenderfoot Jun 2014 #170

Saying anyone deserves to be ill is disgusting. Live and Learn Jun 2014 #182

There's a huge difference between those who ignore the warnings mainer Jun 2014 #242

Then, I'm glad you're not in the profession, the less indifference the better. tenderfoot Jun 2014 #259

MARKETING. You can thank Frank Luntz, Mark Levin, Lee Atwater, and other savvy right wingers. alp227 Jun 2014 #124

True.... clarice Jun 2014 #149

When they became used exclusively to concern troll the poor. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #126

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #128

Very succinct gollygee Jun 2014 #131

The term should apply to everyone, regardless of background. nt clarice Jun 2014 #146

But background matters. You can't treat everyone equally because they aren't equal kcr Jun 2014 #161

Agreed, but I believe that everyone... clarice Jun 2014 #164

Capability has little to do with it kcr Jun 2014 #171

Yes we DO agree, you just don't realize it yet....it takes time. nt clarice Jun 2014 #174

Nope. Pretty sure I don't agree with you at all kcr Jun 2014 #175

It's simply a matter of maturity....hang in there.nt clarice Jun 2014 #190

And calling someone a fool when you can't argue your point is the height of maturity? n/t kcr Jun 2014 #193

* yawn*.....There is no reason to debate with an unarmed person....stay well. clarice Jun 2014 #195

Such maturity. Great example to set for the youngins. n/t kcr Jun 2014 #196

That about sums it up. tenderfoot Jun 2014 #169

It's all a matter of the how the words are used, and with whom mainer Jun 2014 #134

Logical...thanks nt clarice Jun 2014 #145

Whenever they are uttered in a discussion of incarceration. Orsino Jun 2014 #148

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #156

Personal responsibility.... 840high Jun 2014 #150

Yes indeed...bravo for him !!!! nt clarice Jun 2014 #154

When the radical right wing adopted the phrase and started using it like toilet paper. (nt) Paladin Jun 2014 #157

Since it became bandied about principally by the people who never believe in it for themselves. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #160

And yet you never hear it come from.... clarice Jun 2014 #165

Those like you who who never hear it aren't paying attention kcr Jun 2014 #172

My dearest kcr....I usually never stoop this low..and moderators please forgive me... clarice Jun 2014 #173

So you've got nothing kcr Jun 2014 #176

"Bootstrap Philosophy ???" you started it. I finished it. nt clarice Jun 2014 #188

Yes. Bootsraps. It pefectly explains your posts in this thread. kcr Jun 2014 #191

Well then..... we will agree to disagree.....what a beautiful day it is outside today ! nt clarice Jun 2014 #194

That was just silly. Do you own a mirror? Live and Learn Jun 2014 #185

Indeed. But it all depends on what you consider to be the greatest personal responsibility. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #217

At LAST !!! A voice of reason amid a storm of stupidity. Thanks.nt clarice Jun 2014 #218

What storm of stupidity? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #223

Language please. nt clarice Jun 2014 #224

No. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #225

Well, have a nice day anyway. nt clarice Jun 2014 #236

+10000 YoungDemCA Jun 2014 #167

It became taboo when the rw replaced concern with our fellow citizens with it. jwirr Jun 2014 #168

Since we quit self censoring ourselves ... near as I can tell. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #177

Since it began to be used in opposition to 'collective responsibility' n/t markpkessinger Jun 2014 #178

I love that. We sure never hear that one anymore. nt Live and Learn Jun 2014 #184

I fail to see the connection between personal responsibility and prison. Live and Learn Jun 2014 #179

Remember that time you were worried about the New Black Panthers In Philly? bravenak Jun 2014 #186

Not upset at all....how are you ???? nt clarice Jun 2014 #192

Good. bravenak Jun 2014 #197

I'm so glad that you are doing well. Big plans this weekend? nt clarice Jun 2014 #198

Not really. bravenak Jun 2014 #199

I've got a weekend full of.... clarice Jun 2014 #200

Oh my, She is one smart kid!! bravenak Jun 2014 #202

Yes she IS !!!!! Have a good one. nt clarice Jun 2014 #204

Oh, we ALL see what this thread is about. Even folks that have no idea about this poster's history Number23 Jun 2014 #227

That one is always transparent. bravenak Jun 2014 #229

I would like a link to that thread U4ikLefty Jun 2014 #241

Ok, here goes. bravenak Jun 2014 #243

Glad you put it out there! Number23 Jun 2014 #246

LOL Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #248

Self empowerment and personal responsbility used Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #201

The US has 5% of the world population, yet it holds 25% of the world's prisoners Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #249

It is such a bullshit line, so much that when I hear someone say it I am offended kimbutgar Jun 2014 #203

Disability rolls-record high and an increase of 18% since January 2009 maced666 Jun 2014 #206

Thank you !!!!!!!! a voice of reason. nt clarice Jun 2014 #209

What the report noted RainDog Jun 2014 #212

I agree. nt clarice Jun 2014 #214

Oh, it's you. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #226

Yep. But gotta love the attempts at innocence. That seems to be the tactic of choice by some less Number23 Jun 2014 #228

When asked a direct question calling them out on what they posted, react angrily and call the other Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #230

I hadn't seen the thread, earlier RainDog Jun 2014 #231

"She". Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #232

Please speak only when spoken to. I'm sure "She" has her own opinion. Peace. nt clarice Jun 2014 #238

No. And I don't care for phonies. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #258

You go Ikonoklast... tenderfoot Jun 2014 #260

I'm sorry that the question offended you, but please try to stick to the subject. nt clarice Jun 2014 #239

Hi Ikon, how is your day going???....Are certain subjects taboo on DU ? clarice Jun 2014 #235

Well hello, Clarice Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #233

Hi Alex, you know, I have never heard that one before !!! lol I never get tired of it ! Peace. nt clarice Jun 2014 #237

Too bad that someone like Zimmerman escaped personal responsibility for shooting an innocent kid MrScorpio Jun 2014 #244

I agree....but that was hardly the sentiment of my question ... clarice Jun 2014 #245

BECAUSE Skittles Jun 2014 #251

In that case, there WAS no personal responsibility which was my point to begin with. clarice Jun 2014 #252

Don't worry, Scorp. None of us will forget what's been said despite the adorable "who me?" BS Number23 Jun 2014 #247

I'm just thankful to be able to throw another log on your neurosis. nt clarice Jun 2014 #254

Disgust at your racist remark is someone else's neurosis? RainDog Jun 2014 #257

Maybe there's some happy poolside song RainDog Jun 2014 #256

You answered your own question: "when....words are co-opted by other factions ( the right)...." WinkyDink Jun 2014 #253

But why does that mean that we have to abandon a very integral phrase..... clarice Jun 2014 #255