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Jim Lane

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163. Allen West and Michele Bachmann have also been victims of racism and sexism.

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:05 PM

Jun 2014

If you oppose either of those politicians then you will, perforce, find yourself on the same side of the fence with some racists and sexists.

The moral of the story is that being opposed by bad people for bad reasons is not a sufficient guarantee of merit.

If there's a Democratic primary between (for example) Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley, there will be sexists voting for O'Malley because they aren't comfortable with a female President, and I will be voting the same way they do. If either of those candidates wins our nomination and goes up against Allen West, there will be racists voting for the Democrat because they (still!) aren't comfortable with a black President, and I will be voting the same way they do. I won't let the bigots define my choice.

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The small group of Dems who hate Hillary hated Bill, too. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2014 OP

Dems who lost their jobs thanks to NAFTA? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #1

Or the family members of those lost in a war she supported. Dawgs Jun 2014 #7

They have plenty of excuses for that. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #29

Consider the alternative because a republican prez would be disastrous. nt arthritisR_US Jun 2014 #148

The most important point is Hillary indicates she has changed. People who "hate her" may not lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #177

Of course, unemployment went down and wages went up after NAFTA, at least until Bush came pampango Jun 2014 #155

Obama said a million jobs were lost because of nafta. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #165

Mr. Obama will have to vouch for himself. I assume he thinks TPP is effectively a renegotiation of pampango Jun 2014 #182

NAFTA was a REPUBLICAN idea. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #187

Lowering tariffs and promoting trade have been Democratic, liberal policy since Wilson and FDR. pampango Jun 2014 #193

and of course they will get a better shake from the republicans. Hillary indicates she has changed. lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #176

Union members in the industrial Great Lakes region who got hammered by NAFTA? Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #214

PUMAEWMHPCSPUOE! onehandle Jun 2014 #2

LOL and so it begins. 'hate?' leftstreet Jun 2014 #3

are you saying Obama has not seen racism? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #4

You mean from Hillary's campaign during the primary? leftstreet Jun 2014 #6

this came from the campaign or was the poster discussing DU? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8

You're not making any sense leftstreet Jun 2014 #12

were you around in those days? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #14

LOL the poor, poor 'hated' politicians. I weep n/t leftstreet Jun 2014 #20

The campaign. Hillary's surrogates used racist Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #32

On the DU in 2008 hughee99 Jun 2014 #58

One exception. ieoeja Jun 2014 #62

Allen West and Michele Bachmann have also been victims of racism and sexism. Jim Lane Jun 2014 #163

This Democrat agrees with you strongly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #5

There are two groups, disgruntled Dems who have problems with her but will randys1 Jun 2014 #44

no no no you forgot ideologues from the far left too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #51

I am one of those, but I am a realist as well. randys1 Jun 2014 #56

you cannot be both.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #60

Yes you can, you can be uncompromising with your belief but not as much with randys1 Jun 2014 #63

no words have meanings.....you dont get to make it up out of whole cloth VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #67

I see you've found a new favorite word. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #90

What, "ideologues"? It's a real word known to educated people, and has a real meaning. Hekate Jun 2014 #116

Are you replying for or as Vanilla? nt Union Scribe Jun 2014 #118

Beg pardon? Doncha know we are each other's sock puppet? Hekate Jun 2014 #122

Yes I have and it is appropriate for these parts.....there are alot of them around these parts... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #156

I have the Internet now....perhaps you have heard of it? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #158

What is up with this weird effort to paint smarmy as Eric Cantor as anything but an ideologue? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #168

thats EXACTLY what I mean....ask Eric what the Ideologues are capable of.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #169

He is them. Finding a new extreme doesn't normalize the previous frontier TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #170

you need to read the definition VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #172

I know the definition quite well. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #194

does the term uncompromising come to mind? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #195

I hope I'm not alone, but it really doesn't matter. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #199

I see the RUSHtards are lining up. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #9

Please don't use 'tard', it is really offensive. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #39

As in leotard, dancing together, or jumping. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #71

Yeah right. Union Scribe Jun 2014 #86

yes that is exactly what I meant. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #96

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #103

nope, don't hate hillary. don't hate bill. Detest much of her politics just cali Jun 2014 #10

that is how i would couch it too if I were you... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15

Exactly!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #26

nobody but ideologues...... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #27

lol. I chuckled too. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #126

+1 NCTraveler Jun 2014 #55

But you won't support her as the nominee if she is elected ad the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #128

I will support her, but I will be really worried. Of course, she is better than any Republican adigal Jun 2014 #197

I think Warren would be great to have in a primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #198

I agree - just her presence would push Hillary to the left adigal Jun 2014 #200

I also like Brown of OH. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #201

Oh, I do, too! Nt adigal Jun 2014 #208

No, they don't HATE both.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #11

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #18

Yes I am, and Im beggining to be fed up on this often seen kind of responses, and this mylye2222 Jun 2014 #24

thats just hilarious....you demand the majority recognize you as real VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

Can you make a difference between pure "ideologs" and simply someone who says openly what she think? mylye2222 Jun 2014 #41

Wut? Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #85

If Hillary decides to run with no serious opposition sufrommich Jun 2014 #13

Why would expect to see that here? Have you seen it here? I have seen people sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #22

and your straight from Drudge "the Family" smear.. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #70

So you don't question Hillary's membership in a group that kills gays? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #80

What? Hillary is part of a group that kills gay people? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #84

The Family is aiding the killing of gays in Uganda. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #89

OMG!!! You'd think David Brock would be on this!!!! Or some other gay rights group! msanthrope Jun 2014 #92

Proof ? lumpy Jun 2014 #113

Rachel Maddow proof enough? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #131

Lots of speculation. If apparently some faction of the Ugandan Family Org. are proposing lumpy Jun 2014 #205

To try to imply that Hillary Clinton is in favor of killing gays is reprehensible. lumpy Jun 2014 #207

That is a pretty broad statement i.e. "The Family is aiding the killing of gays in Uganda". lumpy Jun 2014 #209

The Fellowship, the group she had a 15 year association with, behind gay-killing bill in Uganda. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #133

Really? You'd think gay rights organizations would have uncovered this and condemned her!! msanthrope Jun 2014 #139

That anyone would associate with this despicable group speaks volumes. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #161

Either she agreed with their religion... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #162

Yes, very troubling indeed. Yet so many are willing to overlook this major breach of trust, one of many (I don't get it). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #164

Yes, Sabrina, there really is an attack going on right this very minute, only they skipped over... Hekate Jun 2014 #121

it's already started! frylock Jun 2014 #104

Well, the haters are gonna hate. Beacool Jun 2014 #129

Who hates Hillary? Who is this 'small group of haters'? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #16

They just don't appreciate her. Why turning its definition to hatred? mylye2222 Jun 2014 #19

She has been pre-selected for the nomination. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #23

Can't help it. I don't support Corporate policies or Bush wars or those who supported them. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #28

Not only weak, it is divisive and destructive. Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #35

Please cite DUers who have ever used the phrase "It's her turn." Particularly anyone from the BOG. Hekate Jun 2014 #124

It's the bull in the china shop turn nolabels Jun 2014 #154

WHO HERE has ever said "It's her turn"? Hekate Jun 2014 #160

Please back up your statement with evidence Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #141

i suggest you try a dictionary.. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #53

Exactly, and it is really contrary to the democratic principle of the primary. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #30

has the primary been called off.....or do you just hate that Hillary has as much tailwind as she doe VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #59

speak of t he devil. .....who earlier suggested HRC is a member of "the Family" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #25

She was (and may still be), but don't let that get in the way of your denial. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #31

proof VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #38

I suppose praying with Klan members wouldn't prove support of the klan either Dragonfli Jun 2014 #77

'The devil'? Really? 'actual hate'?? This is all you have in support of Clinton, to call those who sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36

yes and yes VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #40

hmm. They have a word Union Scribe Jun 2014 #127

i have a word too... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136

Hate? That's a bullshit word Armstead Jun 2014 #17

maybe the word wasnt meant for you.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #43

The problem with kind of crap is..... Armstead Jun 2014 #54

we have a Primary for that......this is not the right place to trash any potential democrat VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #65

its the smears brought straight from the Freepers that is objectional VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #66

It's a discussion board. Should we just talk about sports? Armstead Jun 2014 #68

who said talk is the same as trash? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #69

When an individual poster talks trash, then yeah, slap it down Armstead Jun 2014 #73

how about this connection to "the Family" smear straight from the darkside tirade VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #74

As I said above -- It's not a monolithic either/or Armstead Jun 2014 #76

then prove they exist VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #138

Dems who got thrown under the bus with DOMA? Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #21

The Dems who dare not speak their name.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #88

I'll support the Dem nominee, but will do whatever I can to try to prevent a neoliberal corporatist Zorra Jun 2014 #34

And with those words you clearly hate Hillary. stillwaiting Jun 2014 #140

Watch the self-righteous uber liberals come by to deny that they hate Hillary. Beacool Jun 2014 #37

Stupid generlizations are wonderful aren't they? Armstead Jun 2014 #46

Name calling is inappropriate. Beacool Jun 2014 #115

They were directed at a whole group, which is what I was objecting to Armstead Jun 2014 #186

they despise her guts.......they didnt use the word hate...so they must not huh VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #47

True shenmue Jun 2014 #42

That is not at all true. Instead, what has happened is that truedelphi Jun 2014 #45

well put. nt navarth Jun 2014 #101

The irony of people who say they will not vote for the Democratic nominee-- BainsBane Jun 2014 #48

Hey, whatever happened in those 2014 congressional mid-term elections? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #49

Some posters here will go to great lengths. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #50

I don't hate them I just will no longer vote for them Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #52

then you are an ideologue VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #61

Maybe but at least I am not a republican or corporate toady Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #72

If you can prove in the 2016 no candidate will not accept corporation donations, you may have Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #79

The reality is as long as you keep voting for corporate candidates things will not change Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #119

oh you think that proves it VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #134

I choose to stand you choose to serve on your knees Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #146

I stand perfectly well as a Democrat....what is your problem with that? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #149

You stand for and with corporations that is what is wrong Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #173

is that what you THINK being a Democrat means? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #174

No supporting corporate candidates is what is wrong with the Democratic Party Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #175

so you are the sole arbitor of that or do the Democrats decide for themselves? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #178

Call yourself whatever you want but in my book those who choose corporations Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #179

are YOU a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #188

For over 34 years but it looking like no longer come 16 Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #190

dont let the door hit ya... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #191

What is your meaning of 'standing for and with corporations' ? lumpy Jun 2014 #204

Do you have experience running campaigns and know how much they cost? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #145

No he/she doesn't obviously!~ VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #150

EW spent $42 M for a senator run and still owed money, still haven't had a takeron Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #151

Clueless...simply clueless... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

What the hell is corporate candidate? lumpy Jun 2014 #203

Oh yes, everyone who dont kiss the feets of Queen Hillary is a RW, ideologue, Rep.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #102

you do know there are leftwing ideologues right? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #137

An ideologue is also someone that will support a candidate without even A Simple Game Jun 2014 #132

Look back further... wyldwolf Jun 2014 #57

Note: Hillary is not the nominee. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #107

based on past behavior, some of you are petrified she will be wyldwolf Jun 2014 #110

Slime is as Slime does bobduca Jun 2014 #181

Cut From The Same Cloth - DLC Shills - Hillary And Bill cantbeserious Jun 2014 #64

I didn't always agree with President Clinton but I did love the man. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #75

Hillary is likeable enough. MoonchildCA Jun 2014 #78

Or you could be totally, completely wrong LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #81

WTF? hobbit709 Jun 2014 #82

I love Straight folks who toss the word 'hate' around as if it meant 'you don't agree with me'. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #83

The majority of gays, myself included, support Hillary. Metric System Jun 2014 #135

I don't hate her. I just don't want her as president. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #87

Can we retire this lame-ass "hater" meme to describe ideological differences? yurbud Jun 2014 #91

...^ that x100 840high Jun 2014 #97

Yeah, we heard that "hate" crap JoeyT Jun 2014 #93

??????? TRoN33 Jun 2014 #94

Maybe some Democrats think 32 years of corporatists in the WH is enough? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #95

The substantial number of Dems who opposed Bill w/o "hating" him, OTOH... TygrBright Jun 2014 #98

K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2014 #99

i remember it well here at DU back when president clinton was in office.. frylock Jun 2014 #100

did the OP mention DU? wyldwolf Jun 2014 #105

so where, exactly, is this "small group of Dems who hate Hillary?" frylock Jun 2014 #106

:shrug: wyldwolf Jun 2014 #109

Thanks for your post. Yes I remember those events well. lumpy Jun 2014 #210

DU was started in 2001. Clinton wasn't in office then. Pathwalker Jun 2014 #218

Are you Mark Penn? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #108

brilliant retort. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #111

More likely one of his assistants...maybe even his PA Dragonfli Jun 2014 #142

Not really. joshcryer Jun 2014 #112

You are wrong! I loved Bill and Hillary. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #114

Same for me, I was as adament as any of the BOG folks in their unquestioning loyalty Dragonfli Jun 2014 #147

We are certainly on the same page. The OP is way way off. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #153

Bottom line. This nation has suffered moreso and tremendousy under Republican leadership. lumpy Jun 2014 #211

What you say is true. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #213

I'll work for whomever wins the spot.. OLDMADAM Jun 2014 #117

Right. Just like all those who criticize Obama and his policies are racists quinnox Jun 2014 #120

"D-Punjab." LLD Jun 2014 #123

BS, most who hate Hillary will vote for her in general! nt Logical Jun 2014 #125

I hope a good number of people run in the Democratic primaries in MineralMan Jun 2014 #130

I will support Bernie, although not my first choice. Oh hell, I will alway support the lumpy Jun 2014 #212

I actually prefer Bill to Hillary. I don't hate either of them. Vattel Jun 2014 #143

No more Clintons. bigwillq Jun 2014 #144

What a bunch of horse manure pscot Jun 2014 #157

Cricism of Hillary = hatred of Hillary. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #159

I don't think any Dems hate Hillary. Some may not like her Autumn Jun 2014 #166

Flame bate much? Caretha Jun 2014 #167

pnwmom, have you reconsidered? Enthusiast Jun 2014 #171

I remember back in the run-up to the 2008 election... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #180

Idiotic whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #183

Probably many voters who dislike Hillary PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #184

I remember the Bill Clinton years. They were an unrealistic bubble that led to subsequent disasters Armstead Jun 2014 #189

Disagree. The subsequent disasters were Bush's fault, not Clinton's. pampango Jun 2014 #192

I don't politically agree with right wing Democrats, i don't *hate* anybody. nt m-lekktor Jun 2014 #185

After Hillary's NPR interview with Terry Gross, I worry she isn't ready adigal Jun 2014 #196

No, she's not thin skinned. Are you quoting Rove? Nice going...... Beacool Jun 2014 #202

Do you hear tone? Do you read that in people? adigal Jun 2014 #206

Hillary was defensive because she doesn't suffer fools gladly Beacool Jun 2014 #215

That wouldn't make her defensive, that would make her annoyed adigal Jun 2014 #216

She'll do just fine. Beacool Jun 2014 #217