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wyldwolf

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118. that's not what zeemike said

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:09 PM

Jun 2014

He said, "The first bill she co sponsored when becoming senator was the flag burning amendment."

1. It wasn't an constitutional amendment. Clinton was on record numerous times as being against a constitutional amendment on flag burning

2. The legislation to criminalize flag burning was in 2005 - so it was FAR from the first bill she co-sponsored. The tenets of that bill were this: it would be a crime to destroy a flag on federal property (one on display there, not your personal flag), intimidate anyone by burning a flag or burning someone else's flag. I'd vote for that. A flag is my personal property so if you destroyed it, how would that be different than destroying my car? How would burning a flag on federal property be different than destroying a statue? And why would it be ok to burn a flag to intimidate me?

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yes he did. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #77

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100% wyldwolf Jun 2014 #104

Please read a little more carefully. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #108

I have no idea. I don't have any quotes regarding the percentage without insurance in '93. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #110

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Aha - I stand HALF corrected wyldwolf Jun 2014 #90

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The rating are not senate votes. Little Star Jun 2014 #26

I'm saying Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #27

I wouldn't even call the votes 'accomplishments' unless whatever she was voting on Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #33

Agreed Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #35

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thanks, it was culled from many sources six years ago... wyldwolf Jun 2014 #44

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hard to choose wyldwolf Jun 2014 #47

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Links wyldwolf Jun 2014 #76

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quote the passages that state that. wyldwolf Jun 2014 #115

Ok, I was somewhat wrong. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #117

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I played the game before. joshcryer Jun 2014 #81

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ok, that's fair. So how about a list of Warren's accomplishments wyldwolf Jun 2014 #93

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Except she didn't wyldwolf Jun 2014 #80

She didn't cosponsor legislation to criminalize flag burning? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #113

that's not what zeemike said wyldwolf Jun 2014 #118

NY Times editorial: "Senator Clinton, in Pander Mode" MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #120

an editorial wyldwolf Jun 2014 #124

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I don't have any. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #109

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Probably. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #125

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