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newthinking

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130. Come on now. Some people *CHOSE* to accept the lies.

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:33 AM

Jun 2014

We need to get real on this. Our population is a bit unhealthy, we dismiss the citizens of other countries as primative and violent by nature and just like any bigot we make excuses for what is really a shortcut to our ethics.

Yes, if there are two choices that we benefit from we will generally pick the one that doesn't hurt people. But our population is all aware that many of our actions and policies that hurt people are not necessary, they are wanted to maintain our lifestyle and prop up our corporations and the dollar.

I don't think I have talked to a single person who does not understand this. The prominant answer is either "all nations do it", or some version of the "ends justify the means".

How are we ever going to change. Like an alchoholic or drug abuser, as long as we don't admit to ourselves our real condition we can't resolve it positively.

(Note: I am not saying *everyone* accepts it. Obviously Kucinich doesn't and many people protested the war)

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Dennis J. Kucinich: Stop Calling the Iraq War a 'Mistake' [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 OP

these are the facts. this is the truth. go ahead, make fun of Kucinich, try cali Jun 2014 #1

"The Iraq War was not a "mistake" -- it resulted from calculated deception." Scuba Jun 2014 #10

I agree. That's a much more accurate description. Overseas Jun 2014 #33

In other words, it was not a war, it was a war crime. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #115

Bingo. Scuba Jun 2014 #123

Come on now. Some people *CHOSE* to accept the lies. newthinking Jun 2014 #130

Kucinich has been right about all of this from the beginning. He KNEW they were lying sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #54

Cegelis, Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, Kucinich, Buono, Rev. Sykes, Davis MisterP Jun 2014 #85

Siegelman? nt. druidity33 Jun 2014 #116

They all knew the truth. Only some choose to stand with the MIC. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #103

Yes, they did, I do not believe the 'but we didn't know' excuses. They either supported sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #140

"All of them should be held accountable depending on their level of involvement and corroboration." rhett o rick Jun 2014 #145

Ex-Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich & Senator Barbara Boxer ticket in 2016. WilliamTuckness Jun 2014 #120

I would go for that ticket. And yes, SHAME on those who went after Kucinich, but we always knew sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #139

+1000 valerief Jun 2014 #73

That is why DK gets unfairly treated like a fringe groupie...he tells the truth. Rex Jun 2014 #89

"Truth Groupie"! n/t Beartracks Jun 2014 #106

Make Fun Of Him? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #107

damned right! wish I could rec your post. n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #110

He would make a great president, and if I had the opportunity to vote for him, I wouldn't hesitate sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #146

Trojan Horses billhicks76 Jun 2014 #150

Yes, I was never fooled by them. Because no actual Democrat could have found a single sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #151

Yes!!!!!! billhicks76 Jun 2014 #152

everyone would have KNOWN it wasn't a mistake Skittles Jun 2014 #2

But then it would potentially be much more difficult to get Americans to support future wars! stillwaiting Jun 2014 #19

blah blah blah. Where's the Kardashian thread? Beartracks Jun 2014 #66

Wanna prevent unnecessary future wars? randys1 Jun 2014 #76

That old saw has been played to it's death, it's an historically proven fallacy. 2banon Jun 2014 #93

I am confused, how can you know it wont work if it has NEVER NEVER NEVER randys1 Jun 2014 #95

put that chickenhawk bastard William Kristol at the top of that list Skittles Jun 2014 #100

... randys1 Jun 2014 #109

He'll get a deferment for senility erronis Jun 2014 #111

Let's not forget Dick Cheney YOHABLO Jun 2014 #117

that is where we keep screwing up awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #31

Sort of like... TommyCelt Jun 2014 #90

they need to start with number 2 and move from there rpannier Jun 2014 #3

A terrible shame that DK couldn't be President intaglio Jun 2014 #4

Yeah Buttttt gholtron Jun 2014 #30

gholtron what's your UFO point? I've never seen a billionaire accept bonniebgood Jun 2014 #32

so everyone should have the same opinion as you? gholtron Jun 2014 #147

I saw a UFO when I was about 7 years old and I'm not a billionare, and never saw another UFO. Sunlei Jun 2014 #47

Twice for me. Both times on the San Francisco Plateau in AZ. snort Jun 2014 #72

Twice! I always thought if I ever saw one again, I wouldn't turn and run! Sunlei Jun 2014 #131

Yup. snort Jun 2014 #132

when I visit my Moms house, I always love to walk out to that sandy clearing. Its still there. Sunlei Jun 2014 #135

Dennis would have used the bully pulpit to explain Enthusiast Jun 2014 #77

That maybe true gholtron Jun 2014 #148

At the time a majority of Americans were in favor of the public option. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #149

Thanks for letting me know to Ignore you! nt valerief Jun 2014 #80

+1. He's a nutjob, who finally landed his dream job. And yes, he did claim to see a UFO. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #94

Great quote on seeing UFOs RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #122

Did Jimmy make this "courageous" disclosure before or after he was elected? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #124

BEFORE: It was in the public record when he was Govenor Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #129

Might help explain why a second term escaped him. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #136

One of those guys in your avatar claimed to see a good reason to bomb the shit out of Iraq. flvegan Jun 2014 #142

And yet, both the guys in my avatar got a 2nd term. See how that works? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #144

But he doesn't look Presidential geomon666 Jun 2014 #51

And he was also the only possible candidate with less than 30% approval in his own home state. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #91

And another thing, he was against the war and H. Clinton was for it. I guess we should support rhett o rick Jun 2014 #96

I could care less who you guys support. I'm just stating the fact that DK was a DU phenom. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #98

K&R deutsey Jun 2014 #5

Spot On Bette R. Daize Jun 2014 #6

That simple malaise Jun 2014 #7

Galloway is a rogue .. Lenomsky Jun 2014 #13

Please! It is TOE the line Demeter Jun 2014 #15

My favorite Galloway moments malaise Jun 2014 #17

Yes, but "apparently" he is so bad for their "ratings"... Amonester Jun 2014 #46

K & R for the truth! n/t xocet Jun 2014 #8

refreshing Vattel Jun 2014 #9

Kucinich is spot-on -- that's a critically important distinction. n/t Martin Eden Jun 2014 #11

I agree with Mr Kucinich 100% !!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jun 2014 #12

Until there are War Crime Trials, there will be no resolution Demeter Jun 2014 #14

Kucinich's truth reveals the lie in all of us Fairgo Jun 2014 #16

"Calculated deception" indeed. democrank Jun 2014 #18

" Millions of people who marched in America in protest of the war" 90-percent Jun 2014 #20

Nailed it. ctsnowman Jun 2014 #21

Word. Octafish Jun 2014 #22

Disappointed jaxind Jun 2014 #23

If Obama heaven05 Jun 2014 #28

They're already causing plenty of "racial uproar", whatever that is Doctor_J Jun 2014 #87

you're entitled to your opinion heaven05 Jun 2014 #104

President Obama will be fortunate if those war criminals don't prosecute him. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #78

Yep. that's what happens when you try to make friends with rabid animals. Doctor_J Jun 2014 #88

What you mean is corporate power and MIC influence WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #118

Yes. That is what I mean. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #127

Very well stated and very true: Raksha Jun 2014 #113

And while we're at it, when horrified by the number of Iraqis executed by Isis, try to morningfog Jun 2014 #24

yeah, that shock and awe :( and then on ebay the next many years... Sunlei Jun 2014 #36

Bravo. blackspade Jun 2014 #25

+1000 heaven05 Jun 2014 #26

I wish we could get back that billion on pallets of cash! Bush sent there from Cheneys bank. Sunlei Jun 2014 #37

K&R Go Kooch! RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #27

a good article! But at this point, IMO..its Assad & letting him get away with all his bs that has sp Sunlei Jun 2014 #29

The US and its allies have been trying to overthrow Assad. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #137

I know. He got his huge family/close friends out of Syria and went to Geneva. Sunlei Jun 2014 #138

Well, can't say I have much respect for Dennis Kucinich... MohRokTah Jun 2014 #34

Well, you seem to like back-handed compliments... chervilant Jun 2014 #52

I'm not going to praise a man I have little respect for. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #57

Yeppers... chervilant Jun 2014 #58

. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #60

K&R. He tells it like it is. Overseas Jun 2014 #35

k&r... spanone Jun 2014 #38

I remember... MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #39

I remember... chervilant Jun 2014 #56

Yup. MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #62

We have become the nation of the very few, chervilant Jun 2014 #70

I believe Kucinich is correct rock Jun 2014 #40

America’s news media is a key player polynomial Jun 2014 #41

Some quotes from Dennis Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #42

thanks! G_j Jun 2014 #49

Dennis was my first choice for president. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #79

Same for me, on both counts... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #155

it's been a long time since I've read those quotes mokawanis Jun 2014 #108

He was my first choice when he ran. Javaman Jun 2014 #43

Same here. MynameisBlarney Jun 2014 #53

Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #81

Thank you. MuseRider Jun 2014 #44

To put it plainly, I believe that the war was the result of a conspiracy within the highest ladjf Jun 2014 #45

There is no question about it. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #83

meh, they still have wiggle room treestar Jun 2014 #48

I disagree... I think it could be proven they knew. SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #86

Proving all that is the problem treestar Jun 2014 #105

That is why I have supported Kooch for many a year. riqster Jun 2014 #50

We Are Docile gussmith Jun 2014 #55

K&R Jamastiene Jun 2014 #59

Mistake? What we are seeing right now is "Mission Accomplished". Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #61

TROOF. n/t Orsino Jun 2014 #63

Ah,...but Kucinich was (and still is) "unelectable" according to sensible woodchuck. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #64

Screw the woodchuck... RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #121

They gerrymandered this man out of office last year. toby jo Jun 2014 #65

Kucinich is bang on about this. Calling the Iraq War a "mistake" is a grave understatement. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #67

Kooch! navarth Jun 2014 #68

K&R nt redqueen Jun 2014 #69

I really wish Dennis would enter the Democratic presidential primary contest. I'd work Zorra Jun 2014 #71

Kucinich is correct pleinair Jun 2014 #74

K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #75

The Oligarch Overlords will decide what "truths" will be told or not told. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #99

Apparently. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #102

Why would Obama and the press do...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #82

Green Day's American Idiot returns. Democrats_win Jun 2014 #84

There was no appetite for one administration prosecuting another, just as there was no appetite for Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #92

Do you argree that calling the war a mistake is wrong? nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #97

Yes I "argree" (sp.)? And I also agree that while DK is popular "UNDERGROUND", up on the surface... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #101

K & R - I was about to post this article myself. Raksha Jun 2014 #112

K&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2014 #114

The time to STOP this atrocity was before it got started. bvar22 Jun 2014 #119

I Agree 100% With Dennis Kucinich!!! supercats Jun 2014 #125

The Iraq War was not a "mistake" -- it resulted from CALCULATED DECEPTION blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #126

One must ask, at first Twenty1first Jun 2014 #128

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #133

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007, White House press conference Octafish Jun 2014 #134

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #141

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2014 #143

With great respect, I think Mr. Kucinich is wrong. KentuckyWoman Jun 2014 #153

Not a mistake--an illegal invasion is a *war crime*. tblue37 Jun 2014 #154