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79. I think the reality is that since Reagan, America has been brainwashed to fear the word liberal

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:37 AM

Jun 2014

and anything associated with it. Most Americans don't consider what the words liberal & conservative really mean, as evidenced by the fact that everyone still calls the repub party conservative when in reality. they are on the fringe & the baggers are off the fucking edge. The democratic party is now the conservative party & the liberals have no voice at all, because a two bit actor poked fun at the word & the cowardly dems ran from it & eventually turned their backs on liberal policies as well.

The dems have no backbone. They were fearful of the repubs & the media back in the 80s & the repubs & the media knew it. Now, too many members of the dem party are gorging at the same corporate trough as the repubs/baggers. Old time dems like me are tired of voting for the lesser of two evils & ending up with exactly what we were voting against.

What I'm saying is I don't think America is as conservative as everyone (especially the politicians & the media) tries to tell us. I want a political party that says "Fuckin' A I'm a liberal & here's why!" and then read the Joe Conservative essay.

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Only 11% of Democrats polled want a more liberal presidential nominee than Hillary Clinton [View all] bigtree Jun 2014 OP

yes, yes, I know hfojvt Jun 2014 #1

A full 20% want someone more conservative than Hillary Gman Jun 2014 #2

Nobody in that 20% ever votes for the Democratic presidential ticket Ken Burch Jun 2014 #21

Could not have said it better! doxydad Jun 2014 #99

+2 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #195

yeah the fair weather so called dems that hate HRC and want to help get another Rep elected VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #76

I think the reality is that since Reagan, America has been brainwashed to fear the word liberal CrispyQ Jun 2014 #79

good point. Such a survey is meaningless because bbgrunt Jun 2014 #163

Let's cancel the primaries, and go back to the pre-1968 smoke filled rooms!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #3

That's what Mccaskill wants to do. joshcryer Jun 2014 #10

I know, I have been making these statements with that knowlege nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #12

sure, I question using a conservative site to criticize Democrats here bigtree Jun 2014 #17

Here's a better link: joshcryer Jun 2014 #19

And I got nother one from CBS nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #23

Where in this link does it say there won't be a primary? nt pnwmom Jun 2014 #33

I believe that is tattooed on the asses of every knee jerk Clinton hater here at DU! Walk away Jun 2014 #90

Stay classy! bobduca Jun 2014 #92

Check your 3 way mirror Walk away Jun 2014 #94

I see inevitability! bobduca Jun 2014 #95

That's is your objection? Because the overwhelming number of Democrats believe... Walk away Jun 2014 #104

I'm sick of the Clintons bobduca Jun 2014 #106

I hope she decides to become a dotting grandmother nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #160

Cuomo is even worse but I don't think there is an effective ism to bash folks with so there is that. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #200

That is why I need to look into O'Malley nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #204

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #116

thanks bigtree Jun 2014 #25

it's a terrible idea bigtree Jun 2014 #28

Thanks for understanding. joshcryer Jun 2014 #30

And do not forget the 50 party platforms nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #34

That's another reason for the delegates! joshcryer Jun 2014 #37

I covered the Party Convention in San Diego before the 2012 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #40

Can't wait until CO and WA delegates insist on marijuana in the platform. joshcryer Jun 2014 #44

The CA convention did that recently nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

Oh man, that just made my night. joshcryer Jun 2014 #47

They are pretty much academic nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #48

Dear, not the only source nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #22

I'm objecting to the use of this one - in violation of the tos, I think, not my personal rule bigtree Jun 2014 #26

You question any source that puts any shadow on her, which is a problem nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #27

That's what many on DU are attempting to push as well Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #73

I always enjoy it when your bizarre and usually off-base constructs LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #126

Right? zappaman Jun 2014 #168

It's spot on. LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #181

Did I miss the 2016 primary? Who else is running? When did Hillary declare? neverforget Jun 2014 #4

Agreed ! Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2014 #7

I dont think voting in December is a good idea DJ13 Jun 2014 #20

yah that might be about a month too late huh. Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2014 #31

Most democrats don't show up at primaries and caucuses. betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #5

The 2008 Primary saw a huge increase in Democratic registration and voting in my State and 2010 Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #75

How many Democrats wanted Obama in 2006? davidn3600 Jun 2014 #6

a good number, he had support groups around the country, you don't see that with JI7 Jun 2014 #8

Importantly, a challenger needs to step forward, now. joshcryer Jun 2014 #9

this is why i'm pretty sure there wont be a serious challenger JI7 Jun 2014 #14

Reich will run if Sanders doesn't. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16

A new fantasy candidate? brooklynite Jun 2014 #67

He said it on Facebook. joshcryer Jun 2014 #218

Care to provide a cite? brooklynite Jun 2014 #222

Sure. joshcryer Jun 2014 #223

Me. I fell for him hook, line, and sinker in the 2004 DNC convention, I'm embarrassed to admit. 2banon Jun 2014 #119

I remember the speech nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #125

Not me. I remember wishing Obama was the Candidate and not Kerry. 2banon Jun 2014 #175

I am a proud part of the 63% eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #11

I stand with MohRokTah, and I stand with Hillary. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #13

I'l bet they can't name her positions or votes MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #15

They know more about that then they do about BootinUp Jun 2014 #80

Pretty much this Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #83

You're right. On the other hand, neither can you. MineralMan Jun 2014 #102

I was looking for what set her apart in a positive way. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #112

Were you? Really? MineralMan Jun 2014 #113

What positive(s) in your opinion MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #118

I'm not stumping for Hillary. Nor am I paying any attention MineralMan Jun 2014 #120

So you attck me about x, then when I respond MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #136

There is no attack. MineralMan Jun 2014 #137

No, you weren't. Beacool Jun 2014 #145

A full 20% of the party are temporarily embarrassed Republicans, is this the Huntsman fan club? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #18

well, to a site that is obviously more liberal than Hillary, it represents a challenge bigtree Jun 2014 #24

The site has little to do with it, it is reality that dictates actual solutions rather than diluting TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #60

you still need a candidate to express that bigtree Jun 2014 #89

Build it and they will come, destroy the viability of the Turd Way at every turn and someone will be TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #220

I'll consider that bigtree Jun 2014 #221

Most people polled don't know what fucking liberal means except by what they get from Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #29

This is a poll of Democrats. Do you think that most Democrats get thier news from FOX? Walk away Jun 2014 #96

People watch CNN? don't bury the lede! bobduca Jun 2014 #98

Exactly. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #108

Hillary has been a "commie" Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #159

Clinton/Cuomo 2016: blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #32

not a Cuomo fan bigtree Jun 2014 #36

Tommy Carcetti! Such a difference! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #62

show me your candidate, Jack bigtree Jun 2014 #85

Don't need a candidate. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #162

I'd like to see that bigtree Jun 2014 #166

There WILL be a primary as long as there is someone willing to oppose her. pnwmom Jun 2014 #35

Here is the list nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #38

Then there will be a primary, no matter what Claire says. It seems silly pnwmom Jun 2014 #39

It was about the OP originally, not Claire nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #41

What difference does it make what CM says about this? pnwmom Jun 2014 #43

One rule of supporting a candidate is not alienating potential voters nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #45

The OP isn't "blowing a gasket" over an old story. The poll was just taken a few weeks ago. pnwmom Jun 2014 #52

Yes he is, you see, the story during the day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #53

it's bad form for you to come on this thread and start a fight over another thread's nonsense bigtree Jun 2014 #56

If you want DU to be useful, you could start pnwmom Jun 2014 #59

just so you can stop this nonsense bigtree Jun 2014 #54

So you can stop this nonesense nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #55

by posting an article about a poll? bigtree Jun 2014 #58

Here is a really basic rule of marketing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #129

do you worry that your attacks on anyone voicing any approval or defense of Clinton is 'annoying' bigtree Jun 2014 #140

Again, talking negatives is not an attack nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #143

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #154

Obviously you don't "get politics" zappaman Jun 2014 #170

that's probably true bigtree Jun 2014 #184

Does this apply to all the "boosterism" of supporters of Elizabeth Warren, pnwmom Jun 2014 #172

Given Elizabeth Warren has repeatedly told us nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #188

But I haven't seen you criticize the supporters of Warren for boosting her candidacy, pnwmom Jun 2014 #191

I have been consistent on that point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #192

again, you're continuing a fight from another thread bigtree Jun 2014 #193

I am pushing back on your boosterism nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #194

But where is your pushback on the "boosterism" of supporters of other candidates? pnwmom Jun 2014 #197

Three people are doing it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #199

It's not collective pushback if you only direct it at HRC supporters or posts about her. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #202

Give me original material nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #203

there it is again - 'boosterism' bigtree Jun 2014 #205

I am not going to stalk you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #206

you mean not going to stalk me ANY MORE? This is the second thread you've tried to bully me in bigtree Jun 2014 #207

Yup, now you have gone fully to victim mode nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #210

more baiting from you bigtree Jun 2014 #211

Ah more personal attacks yeepers. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #212

leave me alone bigtree Jun 2014 #213

Will you publicly apologize for calling me a fraud nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #214

yes. I apologize for calling you a fraud. bigtree Jun 2014 #215

Very well then nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #216

Good God,anyone who's actually alienated by sufrommich Jun 2014 #70

+1 Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #72

I still don't understand what that even means. pnwmom Jun 2014 #171

Actually, I -have- heard of most of them... brooklynite Jun 2014 #68

Since you are one if the donors nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #122

I'd think that spending time attacking a Democrat who hasn't even declared yet 'burns voters' bigtree Jun 2014 #128

Please proceed Sir nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #135

more bullying bigtree Jun 2014 #146

Pointing out how the real world works is not bullying nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #149

reminds me of how victimizers talk bigtree Jun 2014 #150

Yup, I expected this from you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #152

Sorry, but I have to disagree... brooklynite Jun 2014 #138

We are reading two different boards nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #142

Nadine, I agree with you on paying attention to midterms.... moriah Jun 2014 #144

You have not seen them for one simple reason nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #148

So you admit that they haven't been attacked here. Thanks. n/t moriah Jun 2014 #164

It is difficult to talk negatives nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #167

I have seen many, many posters "boost" Elizabeth Warren, and they don't bother me pnwmom Jun 2014 #176

The quite a few is actually counted in the fingers of one hand nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #189

I thought you said you were an EMT. pnwmom Jun 2014 #174

And soooooo much more. zappaman Jun 2014 #183

Yes, that is one of the things I was nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #190

There is always a primary. There are always no-name folks on the ballot. Obama had em in 2012 stevenleser Jun 2014 #147

What kind of a question is that? Ask them if they want to ship more jobs overseas with the TPP, ask grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #42

I have been fine with Hillary as the nominee, but this kind of thing is a turn off Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #49

oh, c'mon bigtree Jun 2014 #51

See my other post below Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #64

I have to agree. The tactics being used are what has set me off. I want a Primary, I want candidates Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #78

posting a poll means I want to kill the primary? bigtree Jun 2014 #84

Its just that the poll offers a glimpse of reality and has jolted BootinUp Jun 2014 #86

it's a contrary view bigtree Jun 2014 #91

You volunteering for O�Malley? Chathamization Jun 2014 #93

that's possible bigtree Jun 2014 #101

Yeah. I�m kind of hoping Reich runs, even if I don�t expect him to get too far. Chathamization Jun 2014 #110

Now you've done it, bigtree. You're trying to burst the DU bubble! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50

Didn't they say the same thing in 2006? nt mattclearing Jun 2014 #57

Yep. Thats why this feels a bit insulting and I like Hillary. Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #63

Agreed on all counts. mattclearing Jun 2014 #65

Yep the time when the polls will matter is the primary bobduca Jun 2014 #109

She's polling much better now than in 2006 Chathamization Jun 2014 #69

But in 2006 there wasn't a Democratic president. mattclearing Jun 2014 #224

How about fuck CNN and let the voters decide? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #61

Another LoZo style post. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #66

Worst than that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #130

push poll krawhitham Jun 2014 #71

Does this signal the end Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #74

if it went the other way, it would go viral on this site bigtree Jun 2014 #81

Like the vitriol in this thread Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #87

Read em and weep! BootinUp Jun 2014 #77

This thread makes me think of Oasis Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #82

Americans are fools whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #88

Which SHOWS hollowdweller Jun 2014 #97

A full 63% of polls are bogus. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #100

Time and time again, the American people prove how dumb they are. bigwillq Jun 2014 #103

never underestimate the ignorance of the american voter bowens43 Jun 2014 #105

Well if this poll is true my days as a party member will soon come to an end Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #107

If true, then this nation is well and truly fucked. stillwaiting Jun 2014 #111

Oh, wait. This is a CNN poll from totally discredited "news" organization. 2banon Jun 2014 #114

Opinion Research Org is a reputable independent pollster that hasn't been discredited. pnwmom Jun 2014 #178

And they all post at DU...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #115

You know, the party had better have someone else lined up to substitute Hillary's coronation 2banon Jun 2014 #117

You'll get the wars you want. L0oniX Jun 2014 #121

the wars I want bigtree Jun 2014 #131

do they poll people with cell phones yet? If not, this would be biased toward old farts and yurbud Jun 2014 #123

Yes they do. Even though "old farts" are more likely to vote than "young farts." pnwmom Jun 2014 #179

1003 americans? Karma13612 Jun 2014 #217

Then you don't know much about random statistical sampling. 1000 adults is not a small sample. pnwmom Jun 2014 #219

Love that picture of her. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #124

it's awesome bigtree Jun 2014 #132

Hardly a surprise RedFury Jun 2014 #127

right bigtree Jun 2014 #134

I wonder if they would get the same results if they used specific issues: yurbud Jun 2014 #133

I seemed to have missed all the fun. Beacool Jun 2014 #139

Here's a graphic that explains the precise reason for this phenomenon: Zorra Jun 2014 #141

If reality causes your head to explode, as it has some here, you need a plan of action. stevenleser Jun 2014 #151

omg, you hit the nail right on the head bigtree Jun 2014 #156

Thank you. I will even offer one piece of advice as part of a plan of action for those folks. stevenleser Jun 2014 #157

So we need to change the perceptions of what is "liberal enough"? SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #169

Based on the poll, in your opinion, is the perception of Democrats of what is "liberal enough" stevenleser Jun 2014 #173

Did the poll even bother to define the terms Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #153

Well I guess I better shut up and get in line, right? (N/T) vi5 Jun 2014 #155

why would you do that? bigtree Jun 2014 #161

Here is my issue vi5 Jun 2014 #177

mostly agree, especially on education bigtree Jun 2014 #180

Well, they didn't ask me. JEB Jun 2014 #158

On what planet has the Democratic Party been the party of Liberals for the past 20 years? SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #165

Shhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #182

My dream team is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, but . . . Vinca Jun 2014 #185

I guess that means 89% of Dems want more TPP, union-busting, corporate schools and healthcare, Doctor_J Jun 2014 #186

She lost the last nomination to a guy running to her left. Marr Jun 2014 #187

Then maybe Dems should aim a little higher... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #196

Typical MSM corporate propaganda poll that relies entirely woo me with science Jun 2014 #198

The good news is that the left won't be blamed if she loses. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #201

I assume you'd want to better that margin bigtree Jun 2014 #208

That's A Little Disturbing colsohlibgal Jun 2014 #209