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In reply to the discussion: If the health insurance industry mandate is a great "reform" so is cutting Social Security benefits! [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)18. It's already
If they can mandate you directly pay a private for profit "health" insurance corporation
for your coverage, they can mandate you directly pay what would be your social security dollars to a private for profit broker on Wall Street.
If they can't, why can't they?
for your coverage, they can mandate you directly pay what would be your social security dollars to a private for profit broker on Wall Street.
If they can't, why can't they?
...happening for children's health care.
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SEN. OBAMA...According to Senator Clinton...there are more people covered under her plan than mine is because of a mandate. That is not a mandate for the government to provide coverage to everybody; it is a mandate that every individual purchase health care...If it was not affordable, she would still presumably force them to have it, unless there is a hardship exemption as they've done in Massachusetts, which leaves 20 percent of the uninsured out. And if that's the case, then, in fact, her claim that she covers everybody is not accurate....
MR. WILLIAMS: And Senator Clinton, on this subject --
SEN. CLINTON...Senator Obama has a mandate in his plan. It's a mandate on parents to provide health insurance for their children. That's about 150 million people who would be required to do that. The difference between Senator Obama and myself is that I know, from the work I've done on health care for many years, that if everyone's not in the system we will continue to let the insurance companies do what's called cherry picking -- pick those who get insurance and leave others out.
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SEN. OBAMA...I do provide a mandate for children, because, number one, we have created a number of programs in which we can have greater assurance that those children will be covered at an affordable price. On the -- on the point of many adults, we don't want to put in a situation in which, on the front end, we are mandating them, we are forcing them to purchase insurance, and if the subsidies are inadequate, the burden is on them, and they will be penalized. And that is what Senator Clinton's plan does.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?pagewanted=print
SEN. OBAMA...According to Senator Clinton...there are more people covered under her plan than mine is because of a mandate. That is not a mandate for the government to provide coverage to everybody; it is a mandate that every individual purchase health care...If it was not affordable, she would still presumably force them to have it, unless there is a hardship exemption as they've done in Massachusetts, which leaves 20 percent of the uninsured out. And if that's the case, then, in fact, her claim that she covers everybody is not accurate....
MR. WILLIAMS: And Senator Clinton, on this subject --
SEN. CLINTON...Senator Obama has a mandate in his plan. It's a mandate on parents to provide health insurance for their children. That's about 150 million people who would be required to do that. The difference between Senator Obama and myself is that I know, from the work I've done on health care for many years, that if everyone's not in the system we will continue to let the insurance companies do what's called cherry picking -- pick those who get insurance and leave others out.
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SEN. OBAMA...I do provide a mandate for children, because, number one, we have created a number of programs in which we can have greater assurance that those children will be covered at an affordable price. On the -- on the point of many adults, we don't want to put in a situation in which, on the front end, we are mandating them, we are forcing them to purchase insurance, and if the subsidies are inadequate, the burden is on them, and they will be penalized. And that is what Senator Clinton's plan does.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?pagewanted=print
Also, I doubt Republicans can get away with dismantling or killing Social Security. Remember, Bush tried to sell privatization.
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If the health insurance industry mandate is a great "reform" so is cutting Social Security benefits! [View all]
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
OP
Making fun of the poster doesn't constitute a counter-argument to the content.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#5
If they can mandate you directly pay a private for profit "health" insurance corporation
Uncle Joe
Apr 2012
#14
The insurance industry and big pharma will put tremendous pressure on the SC to leave it intact.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#7
Why? Because they like to be forced to insure people with pre-existing conditions?
FSogol
Apr 2012
#12
He has just one vote against The insurance industry needs five votes for their law.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#16
I think it will stay. It saved the Insurance Corps who were losing money as a result of
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#19
You are part of the healthcare system, already. So, either you pay for it yourself (with subsidies,
Honeycombe8
Apr 2012
#20
Please don't believe and spread the health insurance propaganda claims designed to divide us.
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#22
In Supreme Court Case, "Obamacare" Has Industry Allies. "It could allow hospitals to raise prices."
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#23
What do you think will happen under the plans of a brain trust that thinks
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#24
At what point will we tire of getting pushed around by big business interests and fight against them
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#25
Probably around the time when the other choice is to watch one's children suffer and starve and
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#26
Didn't most get off their asses and elect "people who will vote" for single payer in 2008?
Better Believe It
Apr 2012
#29