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MineralMan

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102. You're right. On the other hand, neither can you.

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:37 AM

Jun 2014

In one of your threads from yesterday, you couldn't come up with anything positive about her, and there are plenty of positive things she has done. One person in the thread supplied a long list. But, you pretended not to know anything about her actions that you consider to be positive. Odd, that, I think.

The majority of voters from both parties vote based on other factors, frankly, that actual positions and votes. That's how it has always been. Most voters pay little attention to details, and never have. However, as I've found while doing canvassing, most voters do have one or two issues they care about quite a bit. Letting them know that a candidate supports their viewpoint on those issues generally works to get them to the polls to vote for that candidate. I've seen it work many, many times over an adult lifetime of election activism.

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Only 11% of Democrats polled want a more liberal presidential nominee than Hillary Clinton [View all] bigtree Jun 2014 OP

yes, yes, I know hfojvt Jun 2014 #1

A full 20% want someone more conservative than Hillary Gman Jun 2014 #2

Nobody in that 20% ever votes for the Democratic presidential ticket Ken Burch Jun 2014 #21

Could not have said it better! doxydad Jun 2014 #99

+2 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #195

yeah the fair weather so called dems that hate HRC and want to help get another Rep elected VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #76

I think the reality is that since Reagan, America has been brainwashed to fear the word liberal CrispyQ Jun 2014 #79

good point. Such a survey is meaningless because bbgrunt Jun 2014 #163

Let's cancel the primaries, and go back to the pre-1968 smoke filled rooms!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #3

That's what Mccaskill wants to do. joshcryer Jun 2014 #10

I know, I have been making these statements with that knowlege nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #12

sure, I question using a conservative site to criticize Democrats here bigtree Jun 2014 #17

Here's a better link: joshcryer Jun 2014 #19

And I got nother one from CBS nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #23

Where in this link does it say there won't be a primary? nt pnwmom Jun 2014 #33

I believe that is tattooed on the asses of every knee jerk Clinton hater here at DU! Walk away Jun 2014 #90

Stay classy! bobduca Jun 2014 #92

Check your 3 way mirror Walk away Jun 2014 #94

I see inevitability! bobduca Jun 2014 #95

That's is your objection? Because the overwhelming number of Democrats believe... Walk away Jun 2014 #104

I'm sick of the Clintons bobduca Jun 2014 #106

I hope she decides to become a dotting grandmother nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #160

Cuomo is even worse but I don't think there is an effective ism to bash folks with so there is that. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #200

That is why I need to look into O'Malley nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #204

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #116

thanks bigtree Jun 2014 #25

it's a terrible idea bigtree Jun 2014 #28

Thanks for understanding. joshcryer Jun 2014 #30

And do not forget the 50 party platforms nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #34

That's another reason for the delegates! joshcryer Jun 2014 #37

I covered the Party Convention in San Diego before the 2012 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #40

Can't wait until CO and WA delegates insist on marijuana in the platform. joshcryer Jun 2014 #44

The CA convention did that recently nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

Oh man, that just made my night. joshcryer Jun 2014 #47

They are pretty much academic nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #48

Dear, not the only source nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #22

I'm objecting to the use of this one - in violation of the tos, I think, not my personal rule bigtree Jun 2014 #26

You question any source that puts any shadow on her, which is a problem nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #27

That's what many on DU are attempting to push as well Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #73

I always enjoy it when your bizarre and usually off-base constructs LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #126

Right? zappaman Jun 2014 #168

It's spot on. LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #181

Did I miss the 2016 primary? Who else is running? When did Hillary declare? neverforget Jun 2014 #4

Agreed ! Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2014 #7

I dont think voting in December is a good idea DJ13 Jun 2014 #20

yah that might be about a month too late huh. Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2014 #31

Most democrats don't show up at primaries and caucuses. betterdemsonly Jun 2014 #5

The 2008 Primary saw a huge increase in Democratic registration and voting in my State and 2010 Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #75

How many Democrats wanted Obama in 2006? davidn3600 Jun 2014 #6

a good number, he had support groups around the country, you don't see that with JI7 Jun 2014 #8

Importantly, a challenger needs to step forward, now. joshcryer Jun 2014 #9

this is why i'm pretty sure there wont be a serious challenger JI7 Jun 2014 #14

Reich will run if Sanders doesn't. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16

A new fantasy candidate? brooklynite Jun 2014 #67

He said it on Facebook. joshcryer Jun 2014 #218

Care to provide a cite? brooklynite Jun 2014 #222

Sure. joshcryer Jun 2014 #223

Me. I fell for him hook, line, and sinker in the 2004 DNC convention, I'm embarrassed to admit. 2banon Jun 2014 #119

I remember the speech nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #125

Not me. I remember wishing Obama was the Candidate and not Kerry. 2banon Jun 2014 #175

I am a proud part of the 63% eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #11

I stand with MohRokTah, and I stand with Hillary. Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #13

I'l bet they can't name her positions or votes MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #15

They know more about that then they do about BootinUp Jun 2014 #80

Pretty much this Lee-Lee Jun 2014 #83

You're right. On the other hand, neither can you. MineralMan Jun 2014 #102

I was looking for what set her apart in a positive way. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #112

Were you? Really? MineralMan Jun 2014 #113

What positive(s) in your opinion MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #118

I'm not stumping for Hillary. Nor am I paying any attention MineralMan Jun 2014 #120

So you attck me about x, then when I respond MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #136

There is no attack. MineralMan Jun 2014 #137

No, you weren't. Beacool Jun 2014 #145

A full 20% of the party are temporarily embarrassed Republicans, is this the Huntsman fan club? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #18

well, to a site that is obviously more liberal than Hillary, it represents a challenge bigtree Jun 2014 #24

The site has little to do with it, it is reality that dictates actual solutions rather than diluting TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #60

you still need a candidate to express that bigtree Jun 2014 #89

Build it and they will come, destroy the viability of the Turd Way at every turn and someone will be TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #220

I'll consider that bigtree Jun 2014 #221

Most people polled don't know what fucking liberal means except by what they get from Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #29

This is a poll of Democrats. Do you think that most Democrats get thier news from FOX? Walk away Jun 2014 #96

People watch CNN? don't bury the lede! bobduca Jun 2014 #98

Exactly. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #108

Hillary has been a "commie" Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #159

Clinton/Cuomo 2016: blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #32

not a Cuomo fan bigtree Jun 2014 #36

Tommy Carcetti! Such a difference! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #62

show me your candidate, Jack bigtree Jun 2014 #85

Don't need a candidate. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #162

I'd like to see that bigtree Jun 2014 #166

There WILL be a primary as long as there is someone willing to oppose her. pnwmom Jun 2014 #35

Here is the list nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #38

Then there will be a primary, no matter what Claire says. It seems silly pnwmom Jun 2014 #39

It was about the OP originally, not Claire nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #41

What difference does it make what CM says about this? pnwmom Jun 2014 #43

One rule of supporting a candidate is not alienating potential voters nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #45

The OP isn't "blowing a gasket" over an old story. The poll was just taken a few weeks ago. pnwmom Jun 2014 #52

Yes he is, you see, the story during the day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #53

it's bad form for you to come on this thread and start a fight over another thread's nonsense bigtree Jun 2014 #56

If you want DU to be useful, you could start pnwmom Jun 2014 #59

just so you can stop this nonsense bigtree Jun 2014 #54

So you can stop this nonesense nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #55

by posting an article about a poll? bigtree Jun 2014 #58

Here is a really basic rule of marketing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #129

do you worry that your attacks on anyone voicing any approval or defense of Clinton is 'annoying' bigtree Jun 2014 #140

Again, talking negatives is not an attack nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #143

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #154

Obviously you don't "get politics" zappaman Jun 2014 #170

that's probably true bigtree Jun 2014 #184

Does this apply to all the "boosterism" of supporters of Elizabeth Warren, pnwmom Jun 2014 #172

Given Elizabeth Warren has repeatedly told us nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #188

But I haven't seen you criticize the supporters of Warren for boosting her candidacy, pnwmom Jun 2014 #191

I have been consistent on that point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #192

again, you're continuing a fight from another thread bigtree Jun 2014 #193

I am pushing back on your boosterism nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #194

But where is your pushback on the "boosterism" of supporters of other candidates? pnwmom Jun 2014 #197

Three people are doing it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #199

It's not collective pushback if you only direct it at HRC supporters or posts about her. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #202

Give me original material nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #203

there it is again - 'boosterism' bigtree Jun 2014 #205

I am not going to stalk you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #206

you mean not going to stalk me ANY MORE? This is the second thread you've tried to bully me in bigtree Jun 2014 #207

Yup, now you have gone fully to victim mode nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #210

more baiting from you bigtree Jun 2014 #211

Ah more personal attacks yeepers. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #212

leave me alone bigtree Jun 2014 #213

Will you publicly apologize for calling me a fraud nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #214

yes. I apologize for calling you a fraud. bigtree Jun 2014 #215

Very well then nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #216

Good God,anyone who's actually alienated by sufrommich Jun 2014 #70

+1 Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #72

I still don't understand what that even means. pnwmom Jun 2014 #171

Actually, I -have- heard of most of them... brooklynite Jun 2014 #68

Since you are one if the donors nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #122

I'd think that spending time attacking a Democrat who hasn't even declared yet 'burns voters' bigtree Jun 2014 #128

Please proceed Sir nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #135

more bullying bigtree Jun 2014 #146

Pointing out how the real world works is not bullying nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #149

reminds me of how victimizers talk bigtree Jun 2014 #150

Yup, I expected this from you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #152

Sorry, but I have to disagree... brooklynite Jun 2014 #138

We are reading two different boards nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #142

Nadine, I agree with you on paying attention to midterms.... moriah Jun 2014 #144

You have not seen them for one simple reason nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #148

So you admit that they haven't been attacked here. Thanks. n/t moriah Jun 2014 #164

It is difficult to talk negatives nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #167

I have seen many, many posters "boost" Elizabeth Warren, and they don't bother me pnwmom Jun 2014 #176

The quite a few is actually counted in the fingers of one hand nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #189

I thought you said you were an EMT. pnwmom Jun 2014 #174

And soooooo much more. zappaman Jun 2014 #183

Yes, that is one of the things I was nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #190

There is always a primary. There are always no-name folks on the ballot. Obama had em in 2012 stevenleser Jun 2014 #147

What kind of a question is that? Ask them if they want to ship more jobs overseas with the TPP, ask grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #42

I have been fine with Hillary as the nominee, but this kind of thing is a turn off Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #49

oh, c'mon bigtree Jun 2014 #51

See my other post below Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #64

I have to agree. The tactics being used are what has set me off. I want a Primary, I want candidates Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #78

posting a poll means I want to kill the primary? bigtree Jun 2014 #84

Its just that the poll offers a glimpse of reality and has jolted BootinUp Jun 2014 #86

it's a contrary view bigtree Jun 2014 #91

You volunteering for O�Malley? Chathamization Jun 2014 #93

that's possible bigtree Jun 2014 #101

Yeah. I�m kind of hoping Reich runs, even if I don�t expect him to get too far. Chathamization Jun 2014 #110

Now you've done it, bigtree. You're trying to burst the DU bubble! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50

Didn't they say the same thing in 2006? nt mattclearing Jun 2014 #57

Yep. Thats why this feels a bit insulting and I like Hillary. Quixote1818 Jun 2014 #63

Agreed on all counts. mattclearing Jun 2014 #65

Yep the time when the polls will matter is the primary bobduca Jun 2014 #109

She's polling much better now than in 2006 Chathamization Jun 2014 #69

But in 2006 there wasn't a Democratic president. mattclearing Jun 2014 #224

How about fuck CNN and let the voters decide? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #61

Another LoZo style post. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #66

Worst than that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #130

push poll krawhitham Jun 2014 #71

Does this signal the end Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #74

if it went the other way, it would go viral on this site bigtree Jun 2014 #81

Like the vitriol in this thread Capt. Obvious Jun 2014 #87

Read em and weep! BootinUp Jun 2014 #77

This thread makes me think of Oasis Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #82

Americans are fools whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #88

Which SHOWS hollowdweller Jun 2014 #97

A full 63% of polls are bogus. PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #100

Time and time again, the American people prove how dumb they are. bigwillq Jun 2014 #103

never underestimate the ignorance of the american voter bowens43 Jun 2014 #105

Well if this poll is true my days as a party member will soon come to an end Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #107

If true, then this nation is well and truly fucked. stillwaiting Jun 2014 #111

Oh, wait. This is a CNN poll from totally discredited "news" organization. 2banon Jun 2014 #114

Opinion Research Org is a reputable independent pollster that hasn't been discredited. pnwmom Jun 2014 #178

And they all post at DU...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #115

You know, the party had better have someone else lined up to substitute Hillary's coronation 2banon Jun 2014 #117

You'll get the wars you want. L0oniX Jun 2014 #121

the wars I want bigtree Jun 2014 #131

do they poll people with cell phones yet? If not, this would be biased toward old farts and yurbud Jun 2014 #123

Yes they do. Even though "old farts" are more likely to vote than "young farts." pnwmom Jun 2014 #179

1003 americans? Karma13612 Jun 2014 #217

Then you don't know much about random statistical sampling. 1000 adults is not a small sample. pnwmom Jun 2014 #219

Love that picture of her. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #124

it's awesome bigtree Jun 2014 #132

Hardly a surprise RedFury Jun 2014 #127

right bigtree Jun 2014 #134

I wonder if they would get the same results if they used specific issues: yurbud Jun 2014 #133

I seemed to have missed all the fun. Beacool Jun 2014 #139

Here's a graphic that explains the precise reason for this phenomenon: Zorra Jun 2014 #141

If reality causes your head to explode, as it has some here, you need a plan of action. stevenleser Jun 2014 #151

omg, you hit the nail right on the head bigtree Jun 2014 #156

Thank you. I will even offer one piece of advice as part of a plan of action for those folks. stevenleser Jun 2014 #157

So we need to change the perceptions of what is "liberal enough"? SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #169

Based on the poll, in your opinion, is the perception of Democrats of what is "liberal enough" stevenleser Jun 2014 #173

Did the poll even bother to define the terms Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #153

Well I guess I better shut up and get in line, right? (N/T) vi5 Jun 2014 #155

why would you do that? bigtree Jun 2014 #161

Here is my issue vi5 Jun 2014 #177

mostly agree, especially on education bigtree Jun 2014 #180

Well, they didn't ask me. JEB Jun 2014 #158

On what planet has the Democratic Party been the party of Liberals for the past 20 years? SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #165

Shhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #182

My dream team is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, but . . . Vinca Jun 2014 #185

I guess that means 89% of Dems want more TPP, union-busting, corporate schools and healthcare, Doctor_J Jun 2014 #186

She lost the last nomination to a guy running to her left. Marr Jun 2014 #187

Then maybe Dems should aim a little higher... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #196

Typical MSM corporate propaganda poll that relies entirely woo me with science Jun 2014 #198

The good news is that the left won't be blamed if she loses. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #201

I assume you'd want to better that margin bigtree Jun 2014 #208

That's A Little Disturbing colsohlibgal Jun 2014 #209