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yurbud

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Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:22 PM Jun 2014

Are you an 11% Democrat? [View all]

Someone posted a poll that said only 11% of Democrats want a candidate more "liberal" than Hillary Clinton and 83% were fine with Hillary or wanted someone more conservative.

I don't mean this as a criticism of Hillary in particular. She would have done roughly the same job Obama or any number of DLCers would have done.

However, I wonder if the results of that poll would be the same if you asked some specific questions:

Should corporations be held accountable for criminal actions, pay closer to full restitution and their executives sent to prison?

Should those very wealthy individuals who live primarily on investment income have a separate, lower tax rate than most middle and working class people?

Should workers get to keep a greater share of the wealth they create for their employers?

Should public education be privatized, turning our tax dollars and children's education over to the same Wall Street scammers who outsourced your job, gambled with your mortgage then foreclosed you, and got trillions in bailout dollars that they didn't use to help the economy?

Should we have trade deals that enrich transnational corporations but impoverish average Americans AND average people on the other end of the trade deals?

Should there be cuts to social programs in the name of balanced budgets while the budget for a military as big as that of the rest of the world combined is uncut and the many of the most profitable corporations in human history not only pay no taxes but GET subsidies from the federal and state governments? AND start more costly wars?

Should we continue overthrow foreign governments, by covert means or overt wars, when those governments are not compliant enough to oil companies, plantation and sweatshop corporations, and international bankers?

Should all policy decisions of our government be for sale to the highest bidder, and the role of average Americans be restricted to being sold on what has already been decided behind closed doors?

Should the differences between our major political parties be limited exclusively to abortion, gay rights, gun control, immigration, and the role of religion in public life?


If you asked questions like this, not only would most Democrats be progressives, but so would a lot of Republicans.

Taken in this light, do you want someone more progressive than Hillary, about like Hillary, or more conservative?
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More progressive
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Hillary or the equivalent
2 (8%)
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WHO is Hillary?
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Are you an 11% Democrat? [View all] yurbud Jun 2014 OP
the last 3 presidents have all been Hillary or the equivalent' we don't need another bowens43 Jun 2014 #1
Might as well vote Republican if she runs on the Democratic Ticket Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #6
A lot of party members have become independent in the last 5 years - 25% left it during that time newthinking Jun 2014 #20
I think it does the party is changing and not in a good way Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #23
It keeps doing the same strategy and it is discouraging their liberal base newthinking Jun 2014 #57
I think most people see Congress and not Obama/Hillary are the body that needs to be more liberal Johonny Jun 2014 #2
when Dems have the numbers in Congress to pass progressive legislation they suddenly become yurbud Jun 2014 #5
Bingo Aerows Jun 2014 #16
and the country's reaction was to... go more conservative Johonny Jun 2014 #39
I'm used to this Party being so much more conservtive than I am that leadership regularly slandered Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #3
Its not what I want LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #4
the lesser of two evils argument is getting thinner and thinner. yurbud Jun 2014 #7
Keep telling yourself that LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #9
It is possible to walk and chew gum at he same time Armstead Jun 2014 #14
Absolutely LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #17
by continuing to tack to the right? frylock Jun 2014 #36
By winning LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #61
and next thing you know, there is no representation on the left.. frylock Jun 2014 #65
If that happens LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #66
That 11% - Also represents the fall in Dem membership - 39% to 28% since 2008! newthinking Jun 2014 #58
Fractions don't work that way LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #62
I don't disagree about independents newthinking Jun 2014 #63
I would also like a parliamentary system LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #64
I think it's bs. gore was not like Bush our even a JI7 Jun 2014 #21
I like Gore, but he pushed NAFTA, government privatization, and yurbud Jun 2014 #24
I am super-liberal. I WISH we could have a Bernie Sanders type socialist in the WH, but I know tblue37 Jun 2014 #8
Some deem Governors work hard to enact corporate agenda yurbud Jun 2014 #25
Then they've overlooked the damage Sam Brownback tblue37 Jun 2014 #41
PushPolling much? GusBob Jun 2014 #10
Yes, that's why I wouldn't answer it. Old and In the Way Jun 2014 #11
The choices are worded almost identically to the pro-Hillary yurbud Jun 2014 #27
I Love this Post -- Nail on the head /nt Armstead Jun 2014 #12
I want Hillary and a primary. I hope a primary challenge would move hrr more to the left. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #13
...For the duration of the primary challenge Scootaloo Jun 2014 #30
I hope not but I understand your cynicism. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #31
it's not cynicism Scootaloo Jun 2014 #32
i did not read any of the questions tiredtoo Jun 2014 #15
we have to primary more of the crony capitalist Democrats yurbud Jun 2014 #19
Why on earth would people settle Union Scribe Jun 2014 #18
Because, the party has beaten fear into the membership that anyone other than the dlc candidate will newthinking Jun 2014 #59
I'm a Democrat who votes for/against policies & prinicples. Not politians or brand. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22
That's why I added "or the equivalent". I like Hillary as a person in some ways yurbud Jun 2014 #26
You mean you're an issues voter? How scandalous. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #56
First, i saw that poll and thought it was bullshit, that ONLY 11% of DEMOCRATS randys1 Jun 2014 #28
1/4 of the party has moved independent in the last 4 years. Those are likely mostly liberals that newthinking Jun 2014 #60
Well, remember, Americans are trained to hate the word "liberal" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #29
Can you provide some examples of DUers who are trained to hate the word" liberal"? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #35
How many times have you seen this phrase: Scootaloo Jun 2014 #38
And how about the "You progressives" sneer historylovr Jun 2014 #42
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #46
Sure you haven't Scootaloo Jun 2014 #48
Well if this is so widespread as you claimed Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50
Well, we already covered that you've "never seen it" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #52
Which thread are you talking about? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #53
Somewhat more, definitely. But I'd still vote for her. nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #33
I would definitely consider myself part of that 11% tech3149 Jun 2014 #34
yep--that's the frustrating thing. The policies that need to change most are the most untouchable yurbud Jun 2014 #37
I am, as are *most* DUrs. baldguy Jun 2014 #40
Can't help but notice Cali_Democrat isn't demanding you back that claim up. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #49
Definitely in that 11%. historylovr Jun 2014 #43
I just want to win the f'in election with a candidate that has integrity (i.e.) BootinUp Jun 2014 #44
I'm definitely part of the 11%. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #45
You have evidence that Hillary Clinton holds those positions, right? brooklynite Jun 2014 #47
Hell no. I think Hillary is a wonderful progressive Democrat. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #51
More Progressive - We Can Start With This List Of Reforms cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54
I'm happy either way (Hillary or a more progressive candidate) agentS Jun 2014 #55
I support the Democratic platform, and those candidates which also support it. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #67
I look at politicians actions and donors. They take those platforms about as seriously as yurbud Jun 2014 #68
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