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tblue37

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8. I am super-liberal. I WISH we could have a Bernie Sanders type socialist in the WH, but I know
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jun 2014

perfectly well (as does he) that Bernie could never get elected president. He plans to run only to shape the dialogue and to push the other candidates further left.

I think EW could possibly get elected, but I also think that we need her in the Senate, holding the money-jerks responsible and making big noise.

Our side (especially our voters, but our governors and legislative representatives, too) seems to think only the presidency matters, and that is one reason why even though we win the presidency, the Republicans are able to block progressive policies and appointments despite being the minority party.

We need strong progressive Dems in the House and Senate, not just in the WH. I think Hillary has a chance to be elected, and I also think that if we have strong progressive Dems in Congress, she could be forced leftward, just as she is being forced a bit leftward in her public pronouncements right now because it is clear that the American people are moving in that direction and getting fed up with the conservative policy preferences of so many of our Dem officials.

I want Bernie to run, to shape the conversation, but I also want him to stay in the House, where he fights the good fight and keeps the spotlight where it needs to be. I also like having EW in the Senate. Like Ted Kennedy, she can do great things there. Keep in mind that he didn't become the "lion of the Senate" until he stopped running for president and instead re-focused his attention on his legislative role.

Because Dems over-focus on the presidency and don't pay enough attention to local and state offices or to national legislative offices, we end up with too few strong candidates in the pipeline for our big national offices. The Republican Party knows that local city commissions and school boards, state legislatures, state boards of education, etc., are the offices that get candidates trained as effective politicians and that get them the sort of exposure that make them viable as national candidates in the long term.

Those local and state offices also allow candidates to network and to collect political debts from individuals and interest groups that they can then cash in as support when they run for bigger offices. And don't forget that they were able to gerrymander their dominance in the HOuse specifically because our side largely ignored the races for state legislatures.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter whom we nominate or elect if we don't back our candidate up with strong support in the House and Senate. Obama can't even get his nominees for the federal bench or for major appointed positions confirmed because of the Republicans in the Senate!

Besides the whole gerrymandering debacle, we also need to have state legislatures and governors in our column, because they can screw things up even if we do get stuff passed at the national level. Look at how the right wing governors and legislatures in Republican-controlled states screwed up the implementation of the ACA and prevented the expansion of Medicaid so that so many people who should be able to get subsidies have been excluded from coverage.

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Are you an 11% Democrat? [View all] yurbud Jun 2014 OP
the last 3 presidents have all been Hillary or the equivalent' we don't need another bowens43 Jun 2014 #1
Might as well vote Republican if she runs on the Democratic Ticket Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #6
A lot of party members have become independent in the last 5 years - 25% left it during that time newthinking Jun 2014 #20
I think it does the party is changing and not in a good way Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #23
It keeps doing the same strategy and it is discouraging their liberal base newthinking Jun 2014 #57
I think most people see Congress and not Obama/Hillary are the body that needs to be more liberal Johonny Jun 2014 #2
when Dems have the numbers in Congress to pass progressive legislation they suddenly become yurbud Jun 2014 #5
Bingo Aerows Jun 2014 #16
and the country's reaction was to... go more conservative Johonny Jun 2014 #39
I'm used to this Party being so much more conservtive than I am that leadership regularly slandered Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #3
Its not what I want LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #4
the lesser of two evils argument is getting thinner and thinner. yurbud Jun 2014 #7
Keep telling yourself that LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #9
It is possible to walk and chew gum at he same time Armstead Jun 2014 #14
Absolutely LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #17
by continuing to tack to the right? frylock Jun 2014 #36
By winning LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #61
and next thing you know, there is no representation on the left.. frylock Jun 2014 #65
If that happens LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #66
That 11% - Also represents the fall in Dem membership - 39% to 28% since 2008! newthinking Jun 2014 #58
Fractions don't work that way LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #62
I don't disagree about independents newthinking Jun 2014 #63
I would also like a parliamentary system LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #64
I think it's bs. gore was not like Bush our even a JI7 Jun 2014 #21
I like Gore, but he pushed NAFTA, government privatization, and yurbud Jun 2014 #24
I am super-liberal. I WISH we could have a Bernie Sanders type socialist in the WH, but I know tblue37 Jun 2014 #8
Some deem Governors work hard to enact corporate agenda yurbud Jun 2014 #25
Then they've overlooked the damage Sam Brownback tblue37 Jun 2014 #41
PushPolling much? GusBob Jun 2014 #10
Yes, that's why I wouldn't answer it. Old and In the Way Jun 2014 #11
The choices are worded almost identically to the pro-Hillary yurbud Jun 2014 #27
I Love this Post -- Nail on the head /nt Armstead Jun 2014 #12
I want Hillary and a primary. I hope a primary challenge would move hrr more to the left. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #13
...For the duration of the primary challenge Scootaloo Jun 2014 #30
I hope not but I understand your cynicism. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #31
it's not cynicism Scootaloo Jun 2014 #32
i did not read any of the questions tiredtoo Jun 2014 #15
we have to primary more of the crony capitalist Democrats yurbud Jun 2014 #19
Why on earth would people settle Union Scribe Jun 2014 #18
Because, the party has beaten fear into the membership that anyone other than the dlc candidate will newthinking Jun 2014 #59
I'm a Democrat who votes for/against policies & prinicples. Not politians or brand. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22
That's why I added "or the equivalent". I like Hillary as a person in some ways yurbud Jun 2014 #26
You mean you're an issues voter? How scandalous. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #56
First, i saw that poll and thought it was bullshit, that ONLY 11% of DEMOCRATS randys1 Jun 2014 #28
1/4 of the party has moved independent in the last 4 years. Those are likely mostly liberals that newthinking Jun 2014 #60
Well, remember, Americans are trained to hate the word "liberal" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #29
Can you provide some examples of DUers who are trained to hate the word" liberal"? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #35
How many times have you seen this phrase: Scootaloo Jun 2014 #38
And how about the "You progressives" sneer historylovr Jun 2014 #42
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #46
Sure you haven't Scootaloo Jun 2014 #48
Well if this is so widespread as you claimed Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50
Well, we already covered that you've "never seen it" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #52
Which thread are you talking about? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #53
Somewhat more, definitely. But I'd still vote for her. nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #33
I would definitely consider myself part of that 11% tech3149 Jun 2014 #34
yep--that's the frustrating thing. The policies that need to change most are the most untouchable yurbud Jun 2014 #37
I am, as are *most* DUrs. baldguy Jun 2014 #40
Can't help but notice Cali_Democrat isn't demanding you back that claim up. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #49
Definitely in that 11%. historylovr Jun 2014 #43
I just want to win the f'in election with a candidate that has integrity (i.e.) BootinUp Jun 2014 #44
I'm definitely part of the 11%. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #45
You have evidence that Hillary Clinton holds those positions, right? brooklynite Jun 2014 #47
Hell no. I think Hillary is a wonderful progressive Democrat. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #51
More Progressive - We Can Start With This List Of Reforms cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54
I'm happy either way (Hillary or a more progressive candidate) agentS Jun 2014 #55
I support the Democratic platform, and those candidates which also support it. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #67
I look at politicians actions and donors. They take those platforms about as seriously as yurbud Jun 2014 #68
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