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9. Agreed, such a false dichotomy is utterly absurd.

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:15 PM

Jun 2014

Russia is historically one of the most powerful imperialist forces in modernity, regardless of the underlying economic ideology of its rulers or ruling class.

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The Russia as "Imperialist" Thesis Is Wrong and a Barrier to (Ukrainian) Solidarity [View all] newthinking Jun 2014 OP

Writer starts off wrong and never recovers. "Violent coming to power of a rightist regime..." stevenleser Jun 2014 #1

They are feverishly pushing the Russian line. It's like we have our very own rt.com n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #3

Completely agree. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #4

This Bit Is Truly Priceless, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #8

Agreed, such a false dichotomy is utterly absurd. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #9

You put it perfecetly. joshcryer Jun 2014 #41

I especially like the photo of the "Friendship Arch" erected in 1983 when Ukraine was a subjugated Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #21

Pretty much. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #25

fully democratic one was elected............ dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #32

Parliament never dissolved after Yanukovych left. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #33

By what measure is the 2012 parliment illegitmate? joshcryer Jun 2014 #42

That was a question - not a statement. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #62

Fair enough but the President called for new elections. joshcryer Jun 2014 #64

called for new elections...... dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #66

Yeah, the putin pushers really like to blanket that "rightest regime" propaganda everywhere they Cha Jun 2014 #36

You cannot say it is a "small segment" when Right Sector and Svoboda are in critical cabinet newthinking Jun 2014 #37

Yes I can because that is how representative Democracy works. It was a small segment. stevenleser Jun 2014 #67

3 out of 20 Cabinet seats are held by Svoboda. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #71

Wow, what a flaming load of monkey crap. Throd Jun 2014 #2

Apt description. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2014 #6

Yup n/t sharp_stick Jun 2014 #7

+1 OKNancy Jun 2014 #31

Yup. joshcryer Jun 2014 #43

I believe it is all much worse than either side wants to admit. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #5

This is really all about Kyiv, not Russia. Whether or not people accept the government newthinking Jun 2014 #12

There was no tension between ethnic Russiasn and Ukrainians immediately following Maidan, either. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #15

Of course he did.. and so many bought it hook line and sinker.. or they know and don't Cha Jun 2014 #38

That is a fantasy newthinking Jun 2014 #51

Right Sector was a minor factor before, during and after Maidan. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #68

But you've got it exactly wrong. Power prospers through the explicit consent of the ruled. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #22

The parties in power were all minority parties. There is no way they would have come to newthinking Jun 2014 #60

Actions speak louder than words. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #69

Vladimir Putin to Dubya, 2008: Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #10

Historically there is truth in that. Ukraine has *never* historically had these borders newthinking Jun 2014 #14

Ukrainians as a people have long existed Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #18

I don't disagree in general newthinking Jun 2014 #44

Since Annis calls himself a socialist, he should check the inequality in Russia - worst in the world muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #11

As I have pointed out often, that is selective propaganda. *Both* Russia and Ukraine are pretty much newthinking Jun 2014 #16

Annis was trying to paint Russia as a state-controlled economy that workers should show muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #19

It is a long article and he made a few mistakes in descript. That was one (state controlled economy) newthinking Jun 2014 #46

I don't know why it's so hard for some people to admit that the USSR was a bastard of a country. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #13

Russia is not the USSR, and tell me, if you are going to qualify by history newthinking Jun 2014 #20

I brought up the USSR because your piece specifically advocates re-forming it. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #23

I don't agree with him on that newthinking Jun 2014 #58

Putin's Soviet nostalgia has nothing to do with communism. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #72

So basically the US of the same period, but with a cyrillic alphabet Scootaloo Jun 2014 #27

The US used Marxist economic theory as a populist guise? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #28

Sort of. We used our supposed opposition to it as a guise to engage in our own imperial boondoggles Scootaloo Jun 2014 #29

No. joshcryer Jun 2014 #39

Because life is not black and white. I would imagine many Native Americans newthinking Jun 2014 #50

Life was likely happier in the Russia SSR, particularly west of the Urals. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #74

Steel rainbow? KamaAina Jun 2014 #17

An odd Soviet relic if there ever was one. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #24

How is it "odd"? We have lots of art very similar to it, lots even more unusual newthinking Jun 2014 #35

It's "odd" because it belies historical reality. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #73

Amusement... Scootaloo Jun 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Jun 2014 #34

Are you alleging that Ukraine should be split up? joshcryer Jun 2014 #40

if i were, I would have said so, don't you think? Scootaloo Jun 2014 #45

"howling over the necessity of preserving Ukrainian integrity" joshcryer Jun 2014 #47

If you paid a little attention you'd know what I was talking about Scootaloo Jun 2014 #48

It's idiotic. joshcryer Jun 2014 #49

Actually the british created the autonomous zone in Iraq Scootaloo Jun 2014 #52

Your views don't reflect reality. joshcryer Jun 2014 #53

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #75

The Ukrainian nation has been around for centuries. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #70

It's nuts isn't it? newthinking Jun 2014 #61

oops, post wasn't talking to me - delete :) newthinking Jun 2014 #54

You use the ":)" emoticon. joshcryer Jun 2014 #55

lighten up Josh. newthinking Jun 2014 #56

Post delete would've been the best. joshcryer Jun 2014 #57

huh... I have no idea what you are talking about newthinking Jun 2014 #59

"I am totally clueless" joshcryer Jun 2014 #63

Paranoid much? newthinking Jun 2014 #65

LOL, The truth will be revealed in 24 business hours tritsofme Jun 2014 #30