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MineralMan

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44. Probably so.

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 03:08 PM

Apr 2012

It would have been interesting to see what a meeting between the OWS folks and that church in advance might have produced. Maybe there was one. I don't know. But, as the owner of the building, they really can't accept the liability of having it occupied in that way, for many reasons. I'm not a big fan of churches in general, but I know that occupying and squatting isn't going to lead to anything productive. Any building owner would pretty much have to respond by evicting the squatters. On an insurance basis, alone, it would be essential.

If the story is correct, and the interior was grafittied, or any other damage was done, that's not going to help with future ventures by OWS, either. I'm sorry, but intent is only half of the equation. There's no doubt that facilities for the homeless are needed in that area. This is not how that happens.

The goals of OWS are good. Their strategies, if they're like this, however, are bound to fail, again and again. Nothing productive will come from this kind of action.

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Catholic Church Evicts Homeless [View all] lame54 Apr 2012 OP

In fairness, I'm pretty sure that's what Jesus would have done. Lucy Goosey Apr 2012 #1

Breaking and entering? When would he have done that? badtoworse Apr 2012 #7

Beats me. The moneychangers were glad to see him. nt raouldukelives Apr 2012 #17

OH SNAP nt sudopod Apr 2012 #51

Beat me to it. Kudos. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #57

The money changers was about respect for a house of worship. badtoworse Apr 2012 #71

It was just terrible how they carried that building off. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #86

If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. badtoworse Apr 2012 #100

Ah, well, as long as God says so. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #108

The Vision Of Christ That Thou Dost See -- William Blake Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #150

And Jesus wouldn't have let the homeless into the property? Really? Zalatix Apr 2012 #147

Asking for shelter and being refused is not the same as breaking in and being thrown out. badtoworse Apr 2012 #148

I'm sure Jesus would've been quite chuffed to learn that squatting is legal under ancient common-law Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #151

Maybe not but... lame54 Apr 2012 #31

ask the money changers got root Apr 2012 #140

How some can twist things around. The Diocese ordered the building cleared because they were demosincebirth Apr 2012 #2

Please provide a link for this. It is the first I am hearing about it. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2012 #3

No link. If you were watching the local evening news KGOTV in the Bay area you would have heard demosincebirth Apr 2012 #141

thanks for the proof... lame54 Apr 2012 #4

Actually, they are trying to lease it for $11,000 a month... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #20

and there it is... lame54 Apr 2012 #35

What amount should they try to lease it for in San Francisco? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #37

Sell a few of the Pope's hats and feed and shelter the homeless lame54 Apr 2012 #40

That does not answer the question. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #41

Here's your answer... unapatriciated Apr 2012 #47

To who? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #48

Why not try something innovative... unapatriciated Apr 2012 #78

I imagine it is a matter of liability. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #87

Catholic Charities in San Francisco are not allowed to have Catholic rules Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #137

Ahhh and there's the rub. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #142

No drugs or alcohol is a string? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #145

That is not what I'm talking about and I suspect you know that. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #149

Homeless? Try trespassers. badtoworse Apr 2012 #5

What do you call keeping a building vacant when the homeless are enduring sickness and cold EFerrari Apr 2012 #8

It doesn't matter what you call it. Breaking and entering is still illegal. badtoworse Apr 2012 #16

Just like Jesus wanted. sudopod Apr 2012 #52

We've been through this on another thread. badtoworse Apr 2012 #84

Ok, I guess? sudopod Apr 2012 #85

It's not about winning. We just see it differently. badtoworse Apr 2012 #106

The trouble that some folks see anything outside of the status quo as antagonizing. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #111

Catholic homeless shelter in San Francisco. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #88

Good thing there's only 65 homeless families in SF. sudopod Apr 2012 #91

And that's the only Catholic shelter? Where is the OWS equivalent? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #94

You are excellent at missing the point on purpose. sudopod Apr 2012 #96

Vacant or not, who does the liability fall to if someone's drunk dog bites someone in that building? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #99

Don't worry, they have lawyers. Maybe not as expensive ones as the Church. sudopod Apr 2012 #101

Lawyers don't transfer liability. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #102

Clearly you have the wrong lawyers. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #104

There is a reason why even the big corps have to settle when there is an injury in their stores. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #105

I guess OWS will get sued into oblivion. lol nt sudopod Apr 2012 #110

Sue who? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #112

? sudopod Apr 2012 #113

The parents and perhaps the hospital. My original question once again. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #117

I have this crazy idea sudopod Apr 2012 #120

Derelict? Not sure it is that. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #121

So why the mailed fist instead of the olive branch, eh? sudopod Apr 2012 #122

I imagine the first fist thrown was the b and e. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #125

Who knows? sudopod Apr 2012 #127

If that was the intent and if they building was in fact derelict. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #131

Not to mention several posters have told the story of what happened in Atlanta. sudopod Apr 2012 #97

Yes, it is and now they will have that on their consciences EFerrari Apr 2012 #64

Catholic homeless shelter in San Francisco. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #89

You know it was illegal to be a Jew in Nazi Germany. Cleita Apr 2012 #15

Where do these people come from? Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #58

Your corporate dictatorship appreciates your support mmonk Apr 2012 #143

OWS shouldn't have to respect private property? Why not? badtoworse Apr 2012 #144

Well, that's a shitty headline. Brickbat Apr 2012 #6

Agree. Not accurate and not the title of the linked article. cbayer Apr 2012 #9

It what way is it not accurate? unapatriciated Apr 2012 #70

Where do you see in the article that there were homeless staying in the building? cbayer Apr 2012 #73

Some of OWS members are part of the homeless. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #76

While I don't dispute that some OWS members are homeless, there just isn't cbayer Apr 2012 #77

Whatever... unapatriciated Apr 2012 #79

Didn't know of your personal relationship with OP and completely understand your cbayer Apr 2012 #81

his point and mine are that.. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #83

We also get into trouble when we jump to conclusions. EFerrari Apr 2012 #103

Good to know. None of this is included in the articles that I could find. cbayer Apr 2012 #115

I put one in #72. EFerrari Apr 2012 #124

Sounds like a great group and a great guy. cbayer Apr 2012 #128

That's my ex. He fronted all our events EFerrari Apr 2012 #132

A better headline: Catholic Church cares for homeless... lame54 Apr 2012 #11

Your thread headline is completely wrong. HappyMe Apr 2012 #10

I'm always up for a good correction... lame54 Apr 2012 #12

Catholic Church Evicts Occupy. HappyMe Apr 2012 #18

We went down to the... lame54 Apr 2012 #24

The article wasn't about the homeless in Atlanta. HappyMe Apr 2012 #27

you've said one thing right today... lame54 Apr 2012 #42

Your post is completely wrong. EFerrari Apr 2012 #109

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This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Apr 2012 #14

"Activists said they chose to take over the building because they believed it has been vacant... Brickbat Apr 2012 #19

The building has been vacant. It has been vacant for 18 months. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #21

So what if it is vacant? HappyMe Apr 2012 #23

I was specifically addressing this point that was made in the post to which I replied... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #26

So what? HappyMe Apr 2012 #30

Much as we may presume to know what their intentions are LanternWaste Apr 2012 #49

paint over it... lame54 Apr 2012 #28

"Alex, you'd better be drinking your water!" KamaAina Apr 2012 #33

extra points for fabricated headline. dionysus Apr 2012 #22

I could use extra points lame54 Apr 2012 #29

Do you guys have a listserv or something? nt sudopod Apr 2012 #54

Nah. Just the GD thread list. MineralMan Apr 2012 #63

uh, it's quite obvious from readingthe thread that a headline was fabricated... dionysus Apr 2012 #67

It's his opinion of what happened. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #69

What dog doesn't love tequila? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #25

Hmm...that title for your OP...could be better. MineralMan Apr 2012 #32

the actions of the church could be better... lame54 Apr 2012 #34

What would you like to see them do? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #36

Go away for good lame54 Apr 2012 #38

Not likely. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #39

... lame54 Apr 2012 #43

Probably so. MineralMan Apr 2012 #44

They certainly are making a lot of the graffiti... unapatriciated Apr 2012 #46

Yes. Well... MineralMan Apr 2012 #53

I think you should donate the paint... lame54 Apr 2012 #55

No, it's not cheap. MineralMan Apr 2012 #56

I call bullshit - We went down to the... lame54 Apr 2012 #59

You can call whatever you want. MineralMan Apr 2012 #60

that's good to know lame54 Apr 2012 #61

The restaurants in San Francisco are better than Stockton. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #66

You coudn't be more wrong. EFerrari Apr 2012 #72

Catholic homeless shelter in San Francisco. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #90

CTRL-V sudopod Apr 2012 #92

What does that even mean to you? EFerrari Apr 2012 #95

Sounds like a comprehensive facility. I would love to see a joint effort between the church and Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #98

For which the city pays them. In fiscal year 2008-2009, St. Josephs received Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #136

As Lame54 has stated in this thread before... unapatriciated Apr 2012 #74

This was about visibility for OWS, not helping the homeless. badtoworse Apr 2012 #75

No, that's wrong. See #72. nt EFerrari Apr 2012 #126

I imagine that's we should be asking of ourselves LanternWaste Apr 2012 #50

The church ask of others all the time. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #68

Republican jesus is a nasty fella. sarcasmo Apr 2012 #45

Well, to give credit where it's due the Church SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #62

Great pix bongbong Apr 2012 #65

They're leaving that vacant in San Francisco? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #93

Nah, but they are saving their pennies to buy this: sudopod Apr 2012 #123

Doesn't sound like the Catholic church owns it just yet. Sounds like they got the property for a Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #133

:3 nt sudopod Apr 2012 #135

Monstrosity... SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #138

lol, he's got a point there. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #139

OWS was set up to protest churches? Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #80

The Catholic Church is a huge landholder in San Francisco EFerrari Apr 2012 #114

How xtian of them...nt and-justice-for-all Apr 2012 #82

Hve you seen this at TruthOut? "Empty Buildings Are the Crime": EFerrari Apr 2012 #107

Wow. The "Get Off My Lawn" group TriMera Apr 2012 #116

""Get Off My Lawn"" sudopod Apr 2012 #118

Be my guest. TriMera Apr 2012 #119

You know what I wonder? West Side Crisis was the last hope EFerrari Apr 2012 #129

;_; sudopod Apr 2012 #130

I'm not doing much these days. EFerrari Apr 2012 #134

Catholic Church Evicts Homeless...? Zorra Apr 2012 #146

Since it's Easter Sunday, I figure a Gospel Verse might be appropriate. *aahahem* Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #152