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SkyDaddy7

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193. LOL!! How did you get to "US invading for petroleum" or anything like that? WOW!!!

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 01:12 PM

Jun 2014

The reason they show it in that area of Africa is that is where the SUN IS...And YES, a massive solar field has been proposed for that area of Africa & seriously looked at by many European & African countries all of which are desperate for sources of energy especially those that don't come from Russia & happen to be clean. Not to mention many corporations who look to make a lot of money of such a project. That is before that area melted into pure chaos.

Now, I seriously doubt you give a damn about why I said what I said but if you do care about the truth the link is below...And I stand by my original comments. Which you should go back a read again after you read the article linked below AND do some more research on your own so you have a firm understanding of the topic before embarrassing yourself again with the typical DU CRY of "...the nations we have invaded for petroleum. " especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion! geez.

http://inhabitat.com/worlds-largest-solar-project-sahara-desert/sahara-solar-map2/

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The total area of solar panels it would take to power the world, Europe, and Germany [View all] redqueen Jun 2014 OP

K&R! Life could be so simple! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #1

Could you imagine the SIZE OF THE INTERNATIONAL... SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #81

It would be a huge army. I just don't understand some humans, not at all. One little spinning RKP5637 Jun 2014 #89

Humans are just pretentious monkeys, RKP5637. johnlucas Jun 2014 #172

Yep, that sums it up quite well! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #178

This plan wouldn't work. CSStrowbridge Jun 2014 #132

It's an illustration .. Lenomsky Jun 2014 #138

Yes, I totally agree! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #192

Good lord. This isn't a proposed site. Orsino Jun 2014 #147

^THIS Jamastiene Jun 2014 #158

Or the acreage covered by graves of the people lost to the pursuit of oil csziggy Jun 2014 #161

That's the utterly depressing part Aerows Jun 2014 #188

+ about a million! Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #195

It sort of is a proposed site goldent Jun 2014 #190

LOL!! How did you get to "US invading for petroleum" or anything like that? WOW!!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #193

I suspect the wires to run power around the world would be more expensive than quakerboy Jun 2014 #189

We would not have to worry about it... SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #194

And CLEAN! southerncrone Jun 2014 #101

Looks like about 900 square miles total PatrickforO Jun 2014 #137

Yep, just a pipe dream with bribed politicians. And, there would be the solar wars. Humans don't RKP5637 Jun 2014 #139

900 square miles? Looks more like roughly 35,000 square miles. cheapdate Jun 2014 #171

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #2

My pleasure! redqueen Jun 2014 #3

Peace to you, redqueen. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #5

I heartily second that! theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #7

"They" will demand evidence this is true from many sources duhneece Jun 2014 #50

A post just a few down from yours does exactly what you said. Squinch Jun 2014 #112

Pedantic: Probably need to quadruple the "world" box to cover transmission losses. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #4

Do you have something to back up that assertion? I would be interested in more info on this subject. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #22

Ohm's law is the place to start understanding transmission loss FrodosPet Jun 2014 #38

so then, USA would be better off to locate their panels our SW deserts. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #43

Big plants could be put in the desert, but wide spread individual installatios are best FrodosPet Jun 2014 #67

There are a couple of interesting TED videos about battery storage... Blanks Jun 2014 #73

Wouldn't the daily charge/discharge rapidly reduce battery efficiency? n/t OnlinePoker Jun 2014 #74

Shhhhhhhhhh .... oldhippie Jun 2014 #75

I think battery technology has improved a lot... Blanks Jun 2014 #78

It depends on the battery chemistry. jeff47 Jun 2014 #90

The batteries being developed for EVs are what will be used kristopher Jun 2014 #124

Maybe, maybe not. jeff47 Jun 2014 #144

Solar on every rooftop. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #99

"... you wouldn't need to store it ..." oldhippie Jun 2014 #182

well... now don't give me a hard time on this.. wouldn't have to store a ton of it, because Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #183

Not to give you a hard time, but oldhippie Jun 2014 #184

I have no credibility already, so it's not a concern. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #185

OK, I understand .... oldhippie Jun 2014 #186

I am not an engineer, luckily for those people. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #187

I say put them over ... aggiesal Jun 2014 #70

^^^ THIS. MH1 Jun 2014 #102

In the medians of interstates. greiner3 Jun 2014 #122

Our power distribution model is horrifyingly antiquated Recursion Jun 2014 #129

I wouldn't lose much in transmission if I put solar panels on my roof here in Southern JDPriestly Jun 2014 #33

I agree that a roof is the best place. demigoddess Jun 2014 #83

The system we've just installed... meaculpa2011 Jun 2014 #146

A friend of mine lives in so cal and had solar installed for free basically Rainforestgoddess Jun 2014 #96

Probably more than that.. in fact its not really practical over a few thousand miles. DCBob Jun 2014 #37

That seems to be discussed in the third section of the thesis - pages 33 to 49 of the linked pdf... xocet Jun 2014 #41

Would super-conductive lines reduce that transmission loss? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #109

Yes, but we haven't come up with superconductors jeff47 Jun 2014 #145

I think this is a metaphorical placement. An illustration. The facilities would be placed closer to newthinking Jun 2014 #114

Pretty picture... B2G Jun 2014 #6

Nicely dismissive. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #10

No, actually Android3.14 Jun 2014 #80

solar constant - to whom it may concern kg4jxt Jun 2014 #177

link to "Eco-balance of a Solar Electricity Transmission from North Africa to Europe" sl8 Jun 2014 #19

It does not have to be one big center! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #36

That point is so obvious that I couldn't bring myself to type it. redqueen Jun 2014 #46

Geeze, a lot of sensitive types here today B2G Jun 2014 #62

I used to rationalize my back-handed compliments too. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #68

I long for the day when you say greyl Jun 2014 #121

No kidding... Thanks for asking, inquiring minds want to know! (nt) PosterChild Jun 2014 #104

They all sound so smart to be completely missing the point the way they are... Squinch Jun 2014 #113

And that would create masses of well-paid local jobs duhneece Jun 2014 #47

Water is the problem... Bigmack Jun 2014 #8

Coastal installation? redqueen Jun 2014 #9

Floating on water? AlbertCat Jun 2014 #11

That sounds cool. randome Jun 2014 #30

Wasn't there talk tom_kelly Jun 2014 #61

Far less water than thermal fossil or nuclear. kristopher Jun 2014 #12

Put collecting ponds under the panel arrays, collect the wastewater from them, filter it, Zorra Jun 2014 #24

Mental note: buy Windex stock. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2014 #25

Gas fracking and oil drilling also take a lot of water. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #52

I clean mine once a year and they work well. roody Jun 2014 #100

End of the 'overcharge for water' market autorank Jun 2014 #131

Well, c'mon Algeria! Get to it!!! The_Commonist Jun 2014 #13

Precisely why smallcat88 Jun 2014 #14

We were in Copenhagen earlier this month. Flying out, my husband mnhtnbb Jun 2014 #176

Perfect smallcat88 Jun 2014 #179

Oh sure. Enslave us to the biggest source of radiation in the solar system Orrex Jun 2014 #15

And if history is an indicator, nobody has thought of how and where to store the waste yet. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2014 #26

Damn! I didn't even think of that! Orrex Jun 2014 #29

See what I mean, even well intentioned people can't get it right every time! n/t A Simple Game Jun 2014 #32

Awsome Stryst Jun 2014 #16

Ah, the curse of black and white thinking. AllyCat Jun 2014 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Stryst Jun 2014 #56

My thought exactly.... Ineeda Jun 2014 #65

"... look at the top of every building..." oldhippie Jun 2014 #76

Western or southwestern facing panels are often more financially attractive kristopher Jun 2014 #125

True. Unfortunately, my west side roof .... oldhippie Jun 2014 #149

So because your building has a shaded roof AllyCat Jun 2014 #180

Nope, didn't say that ..... oldhippie Jun 2014 #181

USPS. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #118

Anyone who's ever driven through the deserts sufrommich Jun 2014 #17

A bit misleading in that Im sure it does not take into account distribution losses. DCBob Jun 2014 #18

That's a fair point of note Plucketeer Jun 2014 #35

Yes, they would have to be located across the globe within a few thousand miles of consumption.. DCBob Jun 2014 #42

It's called the 'roof' blackspade Jun 2014 #63

I dont think thats a large scale option. DCBob Jun 2014 #97

Yes but those actions will only lead to a slightly more hospitable ecosystem raouldukelives Jun 2014 #20

Lots of work wiring that solar panel to the entire world, though. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #21

K&R stage left Jun 2014 #23

Decentralize, of course Treant Jun 2014 #27

"I'm taking this as nothing more than an area required in a sunny place." redqueen Jun 2014 #34

redqueen, thank you for pointing out that we in this world can saidsimplesimon Jun 2014 #28

Wow. Build in the Sahara and be done with it! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #31

This is what this graphic is referencing. progressoid Jun 2014 #40

K & R Great post. Thanks for bringing this up. n/t xocet Jun 2014 #44

That is a fair bit inaccurate berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #45

Much more realistic. That results in an area about 4 times larger than the one at the top. DCBob Jun 2014 #53

"Its still quite remarkable though how relatively small a space it would require." redqueen Jun 2014 #54

Yes, I don't disagree with the point. Just want to be accurate berni_mccoy Jun 2014 #64

I'd still like more decentralization Treant Jun 2014 #57

There we go. Thank you. Android3.14 Jun 2014 #98

Great post here. Much more realistic and data driven. karadax Jun 2014 #167

Rooftop? rickyhall Jun 2014 #48

Enormous Treant Jun 2014 #59

Sounds like BS, yet again Android3.14 Jun 2014 #49

Energy != electricity. jeff47 Jun 2014 #92

Wrong Android3.14 Jun 2014 #94

LOL, how about you make a post showing the size? You seem.... Logical Jun 2014 #162

Rethugs and their Big Oil buds would never allow it. lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #51

Absolutely. SoapBox Jun 2014 #66

They are actively fighting against it on every front. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #86

Incredible. blackspade Jun 2014 #55

Every country has the potential packman Jun 2014 #58

RECOMMEND short interview with Stanford Professor Mark Jacobson in GASLAND 2 + following overview: proverbialwisdom Jun 2014 #60

Thanks for your post! redqueen Jun 2014 #69

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #71

Important information, thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #72

I object to solar strongly when it is sited on fragile, previously undeveloped desert environments. hunter Jun 2014 #77

Where there is a will there is a way, and there is big lobby that doesn't want us to have solar..... nolabels Jun 2014 #115

I find that extremely hard to believe. Does this come from a creditable source? n/t doc03 Jun 2014 #79

Article from Scientific American exboyfil Jun 2014 #82

Is there some sort of land shortage I don't know about? mathematic Jun 2014 #84

This is so stupid edhopper Jun 2014 #85

The point is to show how relatively little space can provide a lot of power. redqueen Jun 2014 #88

Poe's law /nt edhopper Jun 2014 #91

God dammit redqueen Jun 2014 #95

Thank you treestar Jun 2014 #143

Yeah it is. I wish I'd replied to one of the ones that's serious. redqueen Jun 2014 #150

Would it be stupid to at least offset peak use? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #116

Poe's Law /nt edhopper Jun 2014 #117

Snort. "And later on World News, 6 billion people trip on their way to the bathroom" n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #119

There's this magical storage device called a battery. Ground breaking stuff. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #120

it's a joke edhopper Jun 2014 #140

Yes, it is. wtmusic Jun 2014 #133

... redqueen Jun 2014 #153

Even if they never generate energy, shouldn't the polar icecaps have solar panels? SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #87

Yes, white ones. edgineered Jun 2014 #127

That's what I was thinking. Don't know how to keep them from blowing away though. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2014 #134

THAT'S HUGE!!! (As in 'nearly one tenth the size of the BP oil spill.) TrollBuster9090 Jun 2014 #93

There certainly are a lot of literalists on this site. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #103

I'm a numbers type of guy wercal Jun 2014 #105

Great! Here are some numbers for you. wtmusic Jun 2014 #130

We are going to have to start somewhere (but really, it's already actually going on) nolabels Jun 2014 #135

No, actually, we don't "have to" do that at all wtmusic Jun 2014 #142

I am not a fossil fuel fan but for the last 37 years fixing trucks all day long that burn the stuff nolabels Jun 2014 #168

I am completely NOT following you ... brett_jv Jun 2014 #173

The oil, gas, and coal industries love renewables wtmusic Jun 2014 #191

Pssst, I sort of agree with you wercal Jun 2014 #148

Nobody here is ignoring cost - solar plus storage is already reaching grid parity bananas Jun 2014 #163

Ummm....Hawaii has triple the electricity cost than the rest of us wercal Jun 2014 #166

"California could follow in 2017, New York and Arizona in 2018, and many other states soon after." bananas Jun 2014 #169

Too much gibberish coming too fast wercal Jun 2014 #170

Elon Musk: "This is why I think solar power will be the primary long term solution" bananas Jun 2014 #164

Thanks for posting this - best thread of the day in my opinion aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #106

Actually...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #107

Thank you - I'm sharing this lovemydog Jun 2014 #108

K&R emsimon33 Jun 2014 #110

Looks like Algeria has the potential to be the number 1 new world power. (literally) Kablooie Jun 2014 #111

The longest conversation I ever had with Al Gore was about this subject DFW Jun 2014 #123

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #126

Let's check in on Germany's solar experiment. wtmusic Jun 2014 #128

Most of the links and sublinks you posted are to greenwash type sites nolabels Jun 2014 #136

Bloomberg is a greenwash site? wtmusic Jun 2014 #141

Bloomberg is not a pro-business as usual site? intaglio Jun 2014 #151

Bloomberg is a pro-business site wtmusic Jun 2014 #155

LOL did you bother reading any of that? redqueen Jun 2014 #152

Of course wtmusic Jun 2014 #154

Your little link parade would make sense if posted in an anti-nuclear power thread. redqueen Jun 2014 #157

Bullshit wtmusic Jun 2014 #159

any stats on DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #156

Freakonomics padruig Jun 2014 #160

As long as its not centralized, it may be made more efficient... Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #165

People, and their need for panacea-like solutions ... so predictable ... yet so sad ... brett_jv Jun 2014 #174

K&R Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #175