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nadinbrzezinski

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56. And that you are critizing is not Common Core

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 08:16 PM

Jun 2014

but Race to the Top, the mid level strategic implementation, and it started well before CC with No Child Left Behind.

And did I mention the curricula and tests are approved at the LOCAL LEVEL by your school board? People should thrown rotten eggs and tomatoes, but not at the targets themselves, but those implementing it. With a few exceptions, most school districts have sucked in implementing any of this, partly out of resistance of change. And this is directly proportional actually to how strong the local teacher unions are. Places with strong unions have had no issues, mostly they already had similar standards. It is places with poor teacher protections and even less investment that are having all kinds of issues, and that is not accidental either.

There are reasons to be critical, but the top level idea that a kid in Honolulu should learn fractions at the same time as a kid in Vermont is not crazy. Before Common Core the difference could be even measured in years. So a kid that moved from Honolulu to Vermont would lose school years. That is a problem. It is a problem as well, when kids in gifted schools, the best and the brightest, are testing at mid point in international tests. We do not challenge our kids enough, and that does not translate to constant testing. But it translates to high academic achievement though, which we are not doing, and that is not good if we are to innovate and remain competitive in a globalized economy.

I will suggest that one reason for the brain drain the US is starting to experience is our substandard educational system and the resistance, in some cases on religious grounds, to change it.

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Excellent analysis. Pisces Jun 2014 #1

Thanks, I enjoy policy these days nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #2

We will never see great innovation from our society again until we invest in our liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #3

And that us what the emphasis in creative thinking at San Diego Unified does nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #4

So what happens to the kids that can't keep up with the curriculum? Do they get a more liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #5

In other places around the world they would not have waited that long nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #8

Actually our last school that we had such problems with the math curriculum was in affluent liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #10

Then your child would be in a special needs class nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #11

Special education children are not the only ones who learn differently or at a different pace. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #12

Have fun nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13

Ok I will go public with this. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #23

My son would be much better off without Common Core because they would be focusing on his liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #28

Then consider home schooling nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #29

you can argue till you're blue in the face. Even his teachers know Common Core and Race to the liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #31

I am not arguing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #36

I agree. I think you and I are done discussing this. I am not going to change your mind and you are liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #45

I have walked those shoes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

Oh and I forgot nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #30

I agree. And Common Core is making people money too. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #32

It is not common core nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #35

You are not listening. He was doing fine in elementary school when they were allowed to teach liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #44

Talk to your elected, yes elected and *very local,* nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #48

Again, this is a middle school issue and not a common core issue. He's currently in 6th grade, right RayOfHope Jun 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author FourScore Jun 2014 #60

This isnt CC. This is middle school versus elementary school issue. RayOfHope Jun 2014 #51

liberal_at_heart, your child is so fortunate to have you. FourScore Jun 2014 #61

Thanks and you are so correct nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #63

Usually the curricula are the same, but many districts use "differentiated learning." GreenEyedLefty Jun 2014 #25

In general things have gotten much better nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #27

sounds good in theory, but my son has never experienced this is in the Common Core real world. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #33

Not really. Saying "it isn't that bad of an idea" a few times TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #37

We know the intent nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #38

No, some like to think they can walk and chew gum at the same time when they are going to TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #57

Then by your logic we should have listened to Cantor and Bachman and never implemented the ACA nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #58

That isn't what I said and I have never evah have suggested anyone listen to Orange and Smarm TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #67

Actually national standards are pressing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #68

I don't disagree with you about the benefit, Nadine. I disagree about the net value of the benefit TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #69

Alas the brain drain will continue to deepen nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #70

You have noticed that our efforts have only exacerbated the situation? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #71

Sorry, I am not being cantankerous nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #72

Yep. The underlying idea is important. SheilaT Jun 2014 #6

And we have been fighting this battle nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #9

It would be nice if we could have a nuanced discussion about this. I think the policy is good and Pisces Jun 2014 #17

Some school systems are experimenting nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #26

Similar to International Baccalaureate ... created for diplomats' kids frazzled Jun 2014 #7

Wow, that sounds incredible. I am going to look into this. Thank you for the info. Pisces Jun 2014 #15

Start here frazzled Jun 2014 #22

Thank you !!! Pisces Jun 2014 #24

People also don't realize/know that CC is NOT A CURRICULUM. I keep reading "my kid didn't learn.. RayOfHope Jun 2014 #14

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #16

I think that the assessment should be removed for at least 2 years while schools and teacher figure Pisces Jun 2014 #18

Don't quote me, yet. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #19

That would make sense. I hope that roles out to the rest of the country. I don't think states should Pisces Jun 2014 #20

Given the school system in NOLA, on purpose nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #21

Then why are there Common Core text books? It is a curriculum. They tried to force my son to learn liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #43

I will try one last time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #47

It is *not* a curriculum. Curriculums lay out a scope and sequence, outline lessons, provide RayOfHope Jun 2014 #49

do you have any links that support that Common Core is rooted in the experience cali Jun 2014 #34

Here's the great thing though, local districts still have control of how they teach it and when RayOfHope Jun 2014 #53

I'm suspicious of the profit motive behind this CC concept bigtree Jun 2014 #39

And I will point you to the mid level policy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #40

I don't have trouble with the targets bigtree Jun 2014 #41

CC is just targets at DOE nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #42

I wish I could recommend this post about ten million times. n/t RayOfHope Jun 2014 #50

Excellent posts, all through this thread nadin. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #52

I am not expert on this standingtall Jun 2014 #55

And that you are critizing is not Common Core nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #56

I'm confused. FourScore Jun 2014 #59

Common core is the goals nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62

I'm sorry, I'm still confused. FourScore Jun 2014 #64

State mandated tests nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

Yep! That's what I thought. I hate them. n/t FourScore Jun 2014 #66