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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
88. No, it is not that simple for Bush, nor Cheney and Blair.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

It was the pretext of WMD against a sovereign nation to begin and the charges continue to mount from there
going forward.

Let us put the politics of prosecuting a US president aside for a moment, and our seriously deep nationalism and
look at the crimes against humanity.

Number one, we did this to this country without provocation, we waged a war of aggression. That in and
of itself becomes examined and Bush et al does not get a legal pass by claiming he thought he was
acting in the best interest of his country.

As a direct result of that aggression we saw the crimes of Abu Ghraib, there are approximately
one million dead people, the crimes of Fallujia, there were civilian massacres. We went ahead of
what the UN Security Council stated, send the inspectors to go to Iraq and then we'll
make recommendations based on that report..we did not wait. Within that decision we know
they had no intention of waiting because they did not want any interference.

As a nation, we signed the UN Charter, the essence of which no nation can use armed force without the permission of the U.N. Security Council. We can use force in connection with self-defense, yet, we can't use force in anticipation of self-defense.

The UNSC resolutions dating back to the Gulf War as an excuse as GW Bush claimed is bullshit.

The above represents state sponsored war crimes, and I will remind you of officials who quit in the
lead up to the invasion ( UK officials ) because they knew it was an illegal invasion. The UK is a
signer of the ICC, so these individuals were not going to take the chance.

Remember here too, that although I am no fan of Justice Kennedy, what he wrote about the
case..Hamdan v Rumsfeld is very important. He says, essentially, that Bush tried to ignore
the Geneva Convention and in doing so, may have opened a window to be prosecuted
for war crimes. That is a sitting conservative on the SCOTUS saying that.

The politics of this situation is a whole other problem...one that will likely
save their asses..unfortunately.

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They still have money and still (not coincidentally) have powerful friends. lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #1
The wealthy don't usually buy justice, but instead pay to deprive others of justice. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #12
Absolutely. They're so powerful they got Newsweak to print a retraction 23 years after the fact. Octafish Jun 2014 #13
Newsweak - ha ha!!! LeftInTX Jun 2014 #58
CIA whistleblower John Stockwell on the implications of the presidency of George H.W. Bush... Octafish Jun 2014 #66
Perfect. raven mad Jun 2014 #101
Because they are rich, and were propped up by their rich peers. n/t Orsino Jun 2014 #2
Rothschilds are so Old Money they're maybe the Oldest, apart from those stone money in Yap... Octafish Jun 2014 #15
Because they're above the law or "too big to fail," take your pick. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #3
Funny, that ''too big to fail'' thing. Octafish Jun 2014 #16
+1 btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #49
Come on, you of ALL people know the answer to that! The_Commonist Jun 2014 #4
Sorry, The_Commonist. I do sound like a maddeningly scratched record... Octafish Jun 2014 #28
Speaking of scratched records... The_Commonist Jun 2014 #52
It's time to move forward, Octafish deutsey Jun 2014 #5
And that's the real reason. pa28 Jun 2014 #57
''No one could have imagined them taking a plane, slamming it into the Pentagon...the (WTC)...'' Octafish Jun 2014 #60
And Off The Record!! johnnyreb Jun 2014 #89
"United States v. George W. Bush et al." by Elizabeth De La Vega, a former federal prosecutor. canoeist52 Jun 2014 #6
Ms. Elizabeth De La Vega has INTEGRITY. Octafish Jun 2014 #61
Because the Democratic Party Leadership is no longer interested in prosecution of war criminals Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #7
Nuremberg II Octafish Jun 2014 #67
If it weren't for the nazis we would not have the modern police state or military we have today! Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #105
don't forget they made TORTURE an american institution spanone Jun 2014 #8
Just in case the president needs to crush the testicles of a child. Octafish Jun 2014 #69
If you have the time..."Elizabeth de la Vega - Making a Case For Impeachment " canoeist52 Jun 2014 #9
Thanks for the link. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #37
Please can you post this as a main op? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #47
Thank you, canoeist52! Octafish Jun 2014 #70
good lawyers? corkhead Jun 2014 #10
The bad ones they kept on the Federal payroll. Octafish Jun 2014 #83
If they travel to certain countries, they will be adigal Jun 2014 #11
What countries are those? former9thward Jun 2014 #17
I have to look it up, but I think Italy and Germany?? adigal Jun 2014 #19
Cheney cancelled a trip to Canada last year, and Bush to Switzerland adigal Jun 2014 #23
None to all of those. former9thward Jun 2014 #50
we all wait to see kamylle Jun 2014 #18
Pinochet got pinched in Pommyland Octafish Jun 2014 #96
Is it against the law to lead us into war on false pretenses? randome Jun 2014 #14
You sound disappointed that it is indeed against the law, why? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #29
You're so funny. randome Jun 2014 #34
Laugh at me all you want, but the rule of law is extremely important Dragonfli Jun 2014 #36
Because too many Democrats collaborated with them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #20
Bingo n/t MissDeeds Jun 2014 #38
We have a winner. 840high Jun 2014 #79
The money is that good. Octafish Jun 2014 #98
Why you ask ??? SamKnause Jun 2014 #21
+1 million Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #22
I believe you are correct, Corruption Inc. Octafish Jun 2014 #106
Nancy Pelosi. Barack Obama. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #24
what about the next administration? Takket Jun 2014 #25
$$$ Scarsdale Jun 2014 #26
We no longer believe in the rule of law in this country Dragonfli Jun 2014 #27
that's a good fucking question! wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #30
Because the Obama administration iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #31
There's still time Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #72
ALL OF THEM! Scalded Nun Jun 2014 #32
Some guy keeps posting "Money trumps peace". Sums it up better than I could. nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #33
Prison Is More Than They Deserve supercats Jun 2014 #35
Here's my question: What punishment is appropriate for those who are protecting them? FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #40
Who is protecting them? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #77
Isn't everyone who hasn't -- and continues not to -- even try to investigate and prosecute FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #82
I don't think ignoring warnings is a crime. I would have led with TORTURE. tclambert Jun 2014 #39
Being asleep at the wheel re 9/11 led to deaths of thousands of people Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #45
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You A Special Little Snowflake, Fella, Ain'tcha? The Magistrate Jun 2014 #44
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the top of the Democratic Party works for the same boss--and it aint us. yurbud Jun 2014 #42
Many years ago it used to be us. 840high Jun 2014 #81
They have already been convicted in Kuala Lumpur albino65 Jun 2014 #43
Not by the Malaysian government though.. EX500rider Jun 2014 #87
Same reason Nixon didnt go to prison, or Reagan, both having committed treason to get elected randys1 Jun 2014 #51
We had to look forward obxhead Jun 2014 #53
Because there is no justice G_j Jun 2014 #54
because we were told we had to LOOK FORWARD Skittles Jun 2014 #55
Look what is on the horizon - it is not very nice Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #75
Because powerfull people can always buy prosecutors..... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #56
Instead of prison, just put Bush, Cheney and the gang on a plane to Iraq and dump them on the aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #59
That would make a great reality tee vee series. Octafish Jun 2014 #62
My question exactly. nt duhneece Jun 2014 #63
That whole damn administration should be behind bars! Initech Jun 2014 #64
It is a grave injustice—that they are free. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #65
yeah, why! napkinz Jun 2014 #68
It's the age old formula, Octafish... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #71
We need to be a bit different from the norm Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #76
At this point in desperation, I'll take excrement pelting... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #80
Because the justice system in this country favors the elite. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #74
Far be it from me to ruin a good Bush bashing Calista241 Jun 2014 #78
No, it is not that simple for Bush, nor Cheney and Blair. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #88
That's not evidence Calista241 Jun 2014 #91
That is ridiculous, there are those who presided over the Nuremberg trials and have weighed in Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #93
because this question needs to be asked regularly. NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #84
Because neither one has been convicted of anything. WillowTree Jun 2014 #85
Ask Pelosi, not us rustydog Jun 2014 #86
From inside a lonely prison cell ... Martin Eden Jun 2014 #92
Wow, did you really write that? Kudos. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #95
Yes, I wrote it when Bush left office. Martin Eden Jun 2014 #97
Understandable..blunt and coarse is on point and should not always be avoided. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #99
Because we don't have a real opposition party?? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #94
Because B613 is in charge, and there is nothing we can do, and there is nothing Pres Obama rhett o rick Jun 2014 #100
Isn't there smallcat88 Jun 2014 #102
Because some cowards are afraid of the precedent. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #103
Short answer pocoloco Jun 2014 #104
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