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nadinbrzezinski

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62. Common core is the goals

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:16 AM

Jun 2014

The assessment is race to the top.

Some states, mine...had next to no issues since the goals were mostly the same they already had in place, compliance with Feds opened the chance for districts to apply for Federal grants. So the only difference was the testing. My school district, San Diego unified, did not test the first year...second they did but it did not count, get kinks out. The third it will

Your district likely decided for faster implementation. How to meet those state /federal goals, ergo what books, teaching material, and how to test (which should go) is pretty much a very local decision taken by your board of education. The board has direct and absolute control, over that. The state (in your case NY) has a list of targets of what kids should know across the state at grade level. But it is just targets. They have very little to do, if at all, with actual implementation.

I am increasingly convinced school boards rely on this ignorance for when they suck at implementing it, or plain out chose a bad textbook, that "meets state goals" but sucks ass as a textbook. Then they can blame the terrible common core instead of facing the voters. And why school boards matter.

For the record, most textbooks are printed in either Texas or California. Why what happens at either state board matters since they have to meet those state goals first. Why when the Texas board wanted to get rid of evolution in science curricula both the Feds and many other state level boards had a cow...since they knew many districts would buy those books across the country. And some state boards questioned if those books would meet their own goals.

Most people here care about who controls the Senate, House and WH. But dang it, people need to pay close attention to who sits on school boards, triple so if you are a parent. For the record, all relevant info should be at the state Dept of Education of targets and overall policies. And at your local board as far as textbooks, testing, and the rest of it.

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On common Core [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 OP

Excellent analysis. Pisces Jun 2014 #1

Thanks, I enjoy policy these days nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #2

We will never see great innovation from our society again until we invest in our liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #3

And that us what the emphasis in creative thinking at San Diego Unified does nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #4

So what happens to the kids that can't keep up with the curriculum? Do they get a more liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #5

In other places around the world they would not have waited that long nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #8

Actually our last school that we had such problems with the math curriculum was in affluent liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #10

Then your child would be in a special needs class nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #11

Special education children are not the only ones who learn differently or at a different pace. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #12

Have fun nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #13

Ok I will go public with this. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #23

My son would be much better off without Common Core because they would be focusing on his liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #28

Then consider home schooling nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #29

you can argue till you're blue in the face. Even his teachers know Common Core and Race to the liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #31

I am not arguing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #36

I agree. I think you and I are done discussing this. I am not going to change your mind and you are liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #45

I have walked those shoes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #46

Oh and I forgot nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #30

I agree. And Common Core is making people money too. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #32

It is not common core nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #35

You are not listening. He was doing fine in elementary school when they were allowed to teach liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #44

Talk to your elected, yes elected and *very local,* nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #48

Again, this is a middle school issue and not a common core issue. He's currently in 6th grade, right RayOfHope Jun 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author FourScore Jun 2014 #60

This isnt CC. This is middle school versus elementary school issue. RayOfHope Jun 2014 #51

liberal_at_heart, your child is so fortunate to have you. FourScore Jun 2014 #61

Thanks and you are so correct nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #63

Usually the curricula are the same, but many districts use "differentiated learning." GreenEyedLefty Jun 2014 #25

In general things have gotten much better nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #27

sounds good in theory, but my son has never experienced this is in the Common Core real world. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #33

Not really. Saying "it isn't that bad of an idea" a few times TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #37

We know the intent nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #38

No, some like to think they can walk and chew gum at the same time when they are going to TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #57

Then by your logic we should have listened to Cantor and Bachman and never implemented the ACA nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #58

That isn't what I said and I have never evah have suggested anyone listen to Orange and Smarm TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #67

Actually national standards are pressing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #68

I don't disagree with you about the benefit, Nadine. I disagree about the net value of the benefit TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #69

Alas the brain drain will continue to deepen nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #70

You have noticed that our efforts have only exacerbated the situation? TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #71

Sorry, I am not being cantankerous nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #72

Yep. The underlying idea is important. SheilaT Jun 2014 #6

And we have been fighting this battle nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #9

It would be nice if we could have a nuanced discussion about this. I think the policy is good and Pisces Jun 2014 #17

Some school systems are experimenting nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #26

Similar to International Baccalaureate ... created for diplomats' kids frazzled Jun 2014 #7

Wow, that sounds incredible. I am going to look into this. Thank you for the info. Pisces Jun 2014 #15

Start here frazzled Jun 2014 #22

Thank you !!! Pisces Jun 2014 #24

People also don't realize/know that CC is NOT A CURRICULUM. I keep reading "my kid didn't learn.. RayOfHope Jun 2014 #14

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #16

I think that the assessment should be removed for at least 2 years while schools and teacher figure Pisces Jun 2014 #18

Don't quote me, yet. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #19

That would make sense. I hope that roles out to the rest of the country. I don't think states should Pisces Jun 2014 #20

Given the school system in NOLA, on purpose nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #21

Then why are there Common Core text books? It is a curriculum. They tried to force my son to learn liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #43

I will try one last time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #47

It is *not* a curriculum. Curriculums lay out a scope and sequence, outline lessons, provide RayOfHope Jun 2014 #49

do you have any links that support that Common Core is rooted in the experience cali Jun 2014 #34

Here's the great thing though, local districts still have control of how they teach it and when RayOfHope Jun 2014 #53

I'm suspicious of the profit motive behind this CC concept bigtree Jun 2014 #39

And I will point you to the mid level policy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #40

I don't have trouble with the targets bigtree Jun 2014 #41

CC is just targets at DOE nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #42

I wish I could recommend this post about ten million times. n/t RayOfHope Jun 2014 #50

Excellent posts, all through this thread nadin. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #52

I am not expert on this standingtall Jun 2014 #55

And that you are critizing is not Common Core nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #56

I'm confused. FourScore Jun 2014 #59

Common core is the goals nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62

I'm sorry, I'm still confused. FourScore Jun 2014 #64

State mandated tests nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

Yep! That's what I thought. I hate them. n/t FourScore Jun 2014 #66