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116. That's a fair point. ...

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:27 PM

Jun 2014

Here's a couple of definitions for muzzle safety.

1ST COMMANDMENT OF FIREARM SAFETY
Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

This is the most important gun safety rule. A safe direction is one in which an accidental discharge will not cause injury to yourself or others. Never allow your gun to point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Be especially careful when you're loading or unloading. Treat every gun as if it were loaded. And make it a habit to know where your muzzle is pointed at all times, even when your firearm is unloaded.
No one will be injured by an accidental discharge if you keep your firearm pointed in a safe direction. It's as simple as that.
http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/safety-center/10-commandments/1st-commandment.aspx

Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

This rule surpasses all other rules. It is a very simple concept, if the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, intentional or accidental discharge will not harm anyone. The safest direction should be chosen, so humans, animals, then inanimate objects are all taken into account....emphasis added
This also includes being sure that when you carry the firearm you are able to fully control the muzzle direction and angle, especially if you are walking, or otherwise traveling (in case you trip or stumble, this is also helped by Rule 3).
http://m.wikihow.com/Handle-a-Firearm-Safely

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Bullied Teen Stabs and kills tormentor [View all] n2doc Jun 2014 OP

Sounds like self-defense to me!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #1

I absolutely agree! get the red out Jun 2014 #3

Yep, I can certainly relate to that! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #6

+1000s DinahMoeHum Jun 2014 #27

in his autobiography hfojvt Jun 2014 #85

A child is murdered... Lancero Jun 2014 #10

Bullying needs to be brought under control to help stop future tragedies like this. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #13

You clearly did not read the article. n/t ieoeja Jun 2014 #29

You clearly have nothing wrong with a CHILD being murdered. Lancero Jun 2014 #41

It is murder. It is also self defense. But I wouldn't classify it as legally justified self defense. ieoeja Jun 2014 #51

Well, he attempted Aerows Jun 2014 #53

I'm grateful that the bullied child will have a chance to recover Orrex Jun 2014 #56

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #118

Holy shit--you really need to uncrank yourself Orrex Jun 2014 #121

No. Your post was... Lancero Jun 2014 #122

I know what I wrote Orrex Jun 2014 #123

See the topic title? Lancero Jun 2014 #124

So let me get this straight: Orrex Jun 2014 #125

Thats assuming you do share the same opinion. Lancero Jun 2014 #126

He did not include the "sarcasm" tag, but his point tblue37 Jun 2014 #138

Compassion for criminals... Lancero Jun 2014 #117

Bullshit NobodyHere Jun 2014 #132

You left out any reference to his self-defense, which comes from the OP's article: pacalo Jun 2014 #101

Justify the senseless murder of a child however you wish. Lancero Jun 2014 #119

Kneejerk moralizing without any actual analysis of the situation. DireStrike Jun 2014 #151

Read the article; your comment seems to serve as another reason pacalo Jun 2014 #100

First comment in this topic, first reply, and first and second reply to that. Lancero Jun 2014 #120

Sounds like it, but it's not so straight forward Renew Deal Jun 2014 #73

Yeah, there seems to be disagreement about whether Crump was one of the bullies. Vattel Jun 2014 #99

The kid was regularly beaten up Aerows Jun 2014 #130

Notice that there was a security guard--but he didn't do anything until after tblue37 Jun 2014 #139

There very well could have been two sides to Timothy jmowreader Jun 2014 #141

Shouldn't be charged as an adult. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #2

also the child does not have the choice of walking away because he is KurtNYC Jun 2014 #20

amen, demigoddess Jun 2014 #31

This was his first day back at school, too Aerows Jun 2014 #48

Ouch, I hate to be glad about someone's death mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #69

And the poor kid was beaten and robbed by this bully a few weeks ago Aerows Jun 2014 #45

What? Possumpoint Jun 2014 #4

Fail. Kitchen knives have a non-lethal purpose. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #5

A knife can be a deadly weapon just like a firearm. ... spin Jun 2014 #8

"Can be" versus "only purpose". Still fail. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #9

I'm owned and used firearms for well over 40 years. ... spin Jun 2014 #14

If you were the only gun owner, then we wouldn't have a problem. Orrex Jun 2014 #21

So a firearm that is used for legitimate self defense is useless? ... spin Jun 2014 #30

That was not my assertion, and your post merely underscores my point. Orrex Jun 2014 #32

So are you saying that my mother's use of a handgun to stop her rape or murder ... spin Jun 2014 #39

How are you so totally misreading my point? Orrex Jun 2014 #42

A gun is a tool to be used for a number of tasks. ... spin Jun 2014 #67

The gun's primary purpose Orrex Jun 2014 #68

Since you are "not making any assesment about the good or evil of a firearm" then ... spin Jun 2014 #70

Maybe I should have opened with that. Orrex Jun 2014 #71

It probably would have avoided a misuse of a bunch of electrons... spin Jun 2014 #78

tell that to the guy who accidentally demigoddess Jun 2014 #34

Obviously it is wise to take a firearms safety course if you own firearms. ... spin Jun 2014 #36

always point the gun in a safe direction? demigoddess Jun 2014 #115

That's a fair point. ... spin Jun 2014 #116

Not sure you read my post. demigoddess Jun 2014 #135

You might think all cops are well trained and safe with firearms. ... spin Jun 2014 #145

you also forget that we live demigoddess Jun 2014 #146

Much depends on where you live in our nation. ... spin Jun 2014 #147

every young child that dies demigoddess Jun 2014 #148

I realize that firearms are extremely dangerous. ... spin Jun 2014 #149

Major thread hijack! I am all for gun control, but this is not a gun control thread. nt tblue37 Jun 2014 #140

And your point is? Guns can be regulated. Knives basically cannot. MillennialDem Jun 2014 #12

Knives are regulated in many states. ... spin Jun 2014 #17

You are not taking the interpretation of knife seriously enough. All one needs to do is carry MillennialDem Jun 2014 #19

Looking at the UK regulation on knives... spin Jun 2014 #28

Could you get in trouble for carrying a pair of scissors in public? Yes. Is it likely if you are in MillennialDem Jun 2014 #43

That's a fair point about same sex marriage. .... spin Jun 2014 #64

Not to mention guns could be enforceably banned but knives never can be. There are MillennialDem Jun 2014 #11

What kind of cryptic logic is that? I recall some blowhole... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #23

Firearms have nonlethal purposes, too, aikoaiko Jun 2014 #81

Nope, but there is always some jerk looking to exploit a tragedy. Renew Deal Jun 2014 #15

Been told some controllers do it all the time. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #24

Just to clarify: Orrex Jun 2014 #35

Don't like "controllers?" How about "banners?" Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #61

How about zealous controllers? aikoaiko Jun 2014 #82

I refuse to control my zeal Orrex Jun 2014 #83

There's a dead child here leftynyc Jun 2014 #18

+1 daleanime Jun 2014 #55

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #94

Yep. Lots of people feel the same way laundry_queen Jun 2014 #95

Kitchen knives can't accidentally go off when picked up. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #22

Not entirely accurate, but you make a terrific point Orrex Jun 2014 #37

Modern firearms rarely go off accidentally. ... spin Jun 2014 #40

Or if they fall to the floor or get stuck on something. Orrex Jun 2014 #44

Most modern handguns with a few exceptions are drop safe. ... spin Jun 2014 #62

Tell that to the guy who was celebrating the arrival of his newborn.. Dawgs Jun 2014 #74

Doesn't sound like the gun's fault to me. ... spin Jun 2014 #77

Point is knife doesn't have a trigger to pull and isn't the same thing. Dawgs Jun 2014 #79

Nice try on your part to call an obvious negligent discharge an accidental discharge caused by ... spin Jun 2014 #84

Negligent or not is still an accident, and that's the point. n/t Dawgs Jun 2014 #87

A negligent discharge is NOT an accident. ... spin Jun 2014 #88

Killing an innocent human being was most definitely an accident. Dawgs Jun 2014 #102

A good number of those who own firearms and practice gun safety would agree with me ... spin Jun 2014 #108

Still hung up on what accident means, huh? Dawgs Jun 2014 #109

I did acknowledge that if the shooter did not have the weapon the incident would have never ... spin Jun 2014 #110

Not surprising that you guessed wrong. Dawgs Jun 2014 #111

You probably know gun owners who have had negligent discharges. ... spin Jun 2014 #112

Guessing again, huh? Dawgs Jun 2014 #113

Ah gee. Well I enjoyed our discussion. Have a good day. (n/t) spin Jun 2014 #114

Aw. Iggo Jun 2014 #47

+1 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #92

imagine, if he had a gun he could have attacked his school samsingh Jun 2014 #57

Oh, stop. crim son Jun 2014 #90

Fist can too. But your inane logic, time to cut off hands. EPIC FAIL Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #153

mulitple times the mother reported the bullying Vattel Jun 2014 #7

Bullies are authority figures in schools where teachers have little. Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #26

Well put get the red out Jun 2014 #33

Thank you. Google up "bullying UCLA study"... Eleanors38 Jun 2014 #49

SAD Mr Dixon Jun 2014 #16

Altering the routine ultimately worked for me Submariner Jun 2014 #128

If everyone only had guns...gungeoneer logic. nt valerief Jun 2014 #25

Payback can be a _____. Life lesson for would be bullies Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #38

Poor young persons life ended way too soon. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #46

The kid that stabbed the bully Aerows Jun 2014 #50

If that is the truth, you are correct. Very sad he felt there was no other way out. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #54

I linked another article below. Aerows Jun 2014 #59

Thank you. Going to read it now. Sad all around. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #60

Here's another article that is pretty enlightening. Aerows Jun 2014 #52

We need to recognize that those who witness bullying and do nothing are part of the problem. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #105

I agree. Aerows Jun 2014 #133

In Catholic elementary school, I was bullied terribly adigal Jun 2014 #58

I have never understood... gvstn Jun 2014 #63

I have wondered about this a lot and wrote an article about it a few years back... stevenleser Jun 2014 #96

Thanks! gvstn Jun 2014 #97

Thanks. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #106

Interesting... sarisataka Jun 2014 #65

Murder is never the solution. dilby Jun 2014 #66

Maybe he carried the knife as a general ohheckyeah Jun 2014 #129

I saw another article about this in NY today that said the kid that was killed was an angel Renew Deal Jun 2014 #72

I'm not a psychologist Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 2014 #76

"The suspect, Noel Estevez of the Bronx, was charged as an adult" cpwm17 Jun 2014 #80

It looks like they were Friends and hung out together JI7 Jun 2014 #86

2 lives lost Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #89

Exactly Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #103

I'm against what he did... Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #91

Sounds more like manslaughter than murder, if the allegations against the victim are true. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #93

Would he be charged as an adult if his surname was Smith? rustydog Jun 2014 #98

Yes, because prosecutors are elected jmowreader Jun 2014 #136

So the NEIGHBORS SAW AND KNEW? They knew the kid was being abused and did nothing? KittyWampus Jun 2014 #104

Similar cases Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #107

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #127

Revenge of the Nerd! KamaAina Jun 2014 #131

KamaAina, I like you -- but with a fourteen year old dead and another being tried as an fishwax Jun 2014 #134

If more of those of us who are bullied would fight back KamaAina Jun 2014 #137

Whoa! It is more complicated than it seems. The kid with the knife had been recently tblue37 Jun 2014 #142

there seems to be much more to this JI7 Jun 2014 #143

One article I read said he used to be friends with the other boy and actually tblue37 Jun 2014 #144

Usually Bullied Kids Use the Knife On Themselves AnnieBW Jun 2014 #150

another kid charged as an adult. why aren't bullies charged as an adult? Sunlei Jun 2014 #152