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In reply to the discussion: ‘Bullsh*t!’ Greenwald and Iraq Vet Blow Up on Real Time over Snowden Leaks [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)23. Stan Goff let fly back in '05: ''A Trojan Jackass for the Anti-War Movement''
Operation (Un)Truth
A Trojan Jackass for the Anti-War Movement
by STAN GOFF
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition April 2-4, 2005
Fayetteville, North Carolina
"To mark the second anniversary of the U.S.-led war in Iraq on March 19, various anti-war groups are planning to protest in Fayetteville, N.C., the home of Fort Bragg. Its not the protest, but the location that has some people upset.
"An organization representing veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan said demonstrators are wrong and insensitive to take their complaints to Fort Bragg, because it blames the warriors for the war.
"The decision makers are not at Fort Bragg, they are in Washington. Rallying against the war by marching at Fort Bragg is like protesting the cows if you dont like McDonalds, said Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of Operation Truth."
-from "Anti-War Groups Protesting US Troops Instead of Decision-Makers," by Susan Jones, CNSNews.com, March 17, 2005
Everyone knows the story of the Trojan Horse. An act of friendship used to smuggle the enemy force inside your gates.
Actually, thats the dumbed down version.
The Greeks led the Trojans to believe that the great wooden horse was a Greek war offering to Athena, alleging it had been abandoned on the battlefield. The Greeks left a soldier behind, pretending he was now a non-combatant, to convince the Trojans that if they didnt carry the ligneous steed back into fortified Troy, the Trojans themselves would risk the wrath of the goddess Athena. Its a better story this way. Maybe its a more apt metaphor, too, for what Paul Rieckhoff and "Operation Truth" are up to with the antiwar movement.
Paul Rieckhoff, a former first-looey in the Reserves who went to Iraq, has now found his political niche as a plant for the Democratic Party, using his outfits non-profit status to give him plausible deniability. The NGO in question is Operation Truth, which has somehow managed to pass itself off as an antiwar group every since its inception while explicitly not taking a position against the war. Its a little like calling Camille Paglia a feminist or James Carville a leftist. Say it a couple of times in the press and its riveted together in the public consciousness. Feminist Camille Paglia "from the left, James Carville." Basically, people can get away with any damn thing these days, or think they can. Not this, though.
Let me be frank. Operation Truth is a sham, and its staff commandant is a jackass.
SNIP...
Anyone who cares to search Rieckhoffs Operation Truth website, by the way, hungry for a single statement opposing either the invasion or occupation of Iraq will go home with an empty stomach. Thats because it is not an antiwar NGO. It is criticizing the conduct of the war and the actions of the Republican administration on veterans benefits in a way calculated to bewilder people into believing it is an ally of the antiwar movement.
CONTINUED...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/04/02/a-trojan-jackass-for-the-anti-war-movement/
PS: You are welcome, whatchamacallit. A rule of thumb for me is to be extra-critical of anyone allowed to voice an opinion on tee vee -- that includes Bill Maher and his guests. It's not that they are all corrupt, just enough of them to cast doubt on the body as a whole.
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