‘Bullsh*t!’ Greenwald and Iraq Vet Blow Up on Real Time over Snowden Leaks

[ancianita]

115. Please explicitly state what Rieckhoff said that was "standing up for the truth."

Seriously. We must have watched two different shows. I saw and heard Rieckhoff raise his voice and talk over Greenwald in response to G's "bullshit," which admittedly was an escalation. But. Just because the man does good work for vets doesn't make him an intel or policy expert about what revelations secure or endanger our freedoms.

Fact: there was no leaking to terrorist organizations. This is part of the propaganda shift away from the national discourse about the NSA's criminality, which is the whole purpose of Greenwald's book and Snowden's leaking documents to him and another US citizen. Not to terrorists. If your bolding above proves these docs' influence on Al Qaeda behavior lately, you're grasping. And you're buying CSM's speculating that Snowden's info moves terrorists but our defense industry's arms sales don't.

Yes, terrorists read Western news. The NYT's poor vetting of the docs is exactly why Snowden didn't want the docs given to NYT to start with. Now that the paper's relatively safe from MIIC suppression, it messed up as he predicted it would. That's not Snowden's doing nor his fault. It still doesn't prove that Al Qaeda didn't already know the methods of surveillance used against them. They did. Their use of the hawala money systems and message couriers proves that. This article on misused documents being Snowden's fault is case building for treason when it's just as much a report on bad journalistic vetting.

For Americans, "the debate" isn't what media and the NSA or any of their media machine tell us it is. Ellsberg said that public figures made the same charges of "endangerment" against him, as well. Americans know that this debate is really is about our government's complete betrayal of its oath to uphold this country's constitution, shredding its citizens' privacy and the constitution as a piece of paper in the name of warmongering and fearmongering, along with journalism's utter failure to report anything but what the MIIC approves. Now we have proof. People of all political parties and socioeconomic classes can get behind that.

Scapegoating Snowden won't work anymore.