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RainDog

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Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:29 PM Jun 2014

Pope Francis is on the wrong side of history (again) [View all]

It's really irksome to see someone who supposedly cares about harm reduction and that sort of thing to come off as a typical posturing jerk wad drug warrior.

But drug warriors are using Francis to bolster their claims.

So, since you drug warriors want to use this institution to bolster your claims, let's take a look at the institution, shall we?

Where was the church when it knew priests were molesting children? For.. how many decades? At least four. How many children's lives were destroyed while the church looked the other way? Where was the church when children were being starved by nuns and thrown into a septic tank in Ireland? Where were they when right wing dictators were murdering students in Argentina by throwing them, live, out of planes into the ocean, merely for their political positions? Oh, that's right. They were assisting in these atrocities. They were the progenitors of them.

If this is the sort of institution that you rely upon for guidance, well, I feel sorry for you.

I rely upon science to inform my opinions about issues related to science. The science is clear that marijuana has medical use. The science is clear that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol as a recreational drug. Oh, is the Pope calling for alcohol to be prohibited, since he spoke against drugs? Alcohol is the most widely used drug in the western world. Let's hope our politicians get going on that re-prohibition of alcohol, right? No double standards, please.

We saw how well that drug war turned out, amirite?

I think a definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

You know what does work to decrease the harm of drug abuse? Openness. The ability to seek help without fear of criminal conviction.

The ability to face problems without shame from assholes who make their living shaming others.

Simply by eliminating needle sharing among addicts, we save lives. And not only lives. We save money that would go toward treatment of HIV/AIDS. Of course it's anathema to choose policies that both improve qualities of lives and save money. Not when there's something to call "evil."

If you are a "culture of life" you don't support policies that absolutely create a culture of death. Unless, of course, you're good buddies with Frank. (Or his protestant wannabes).

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/06/decree_from_on_high_lawmen_side_with_pope_francis_against

Francis said: “Let me state this in the clearest terms possible,” he said. “The problem of drug use is not solved with drugs. Drug addiction is an evil, and with evil there can be no yielding or compromise.”

RainDog said: Let me state this in the clearest terms possible. The claim that addiction is an evil is straight out of medieval Compton. Only the most regressive and stupid among us think that calling a physical illness an evil makes sense.

Maybe the Vatican is worried they'll lose market share for exorcisms if people can use cannabis to stop seizure activity? I dunno. But, frankly, Francis, you have demonstrated you have nothing of worth to say on this issue by calling a physical illness an evil.

Is there any kickback from the faithful for spouting these sorts of lies? This lie is so heinous, it could come from the father of lies. Cancer is also evil, right? It's also a medical issue that may stem from bad choices. So people should suffer rather than have relief through medical marijuana, right, Frankie? But it helps to bolster bigotry among the faithful, so no doubt we'll continue to hear this sort of father of lies talk.

Here's what Frankie is really saying - he and his followers think those who abuse drugs are sinners and should suffer. There's nothing godly about this pov. It's sort of like the father of lies would have the view that he should impose further suffering on those already suffering. I don't remember the story were Jesus did that. Must be in the gospel of Lucifer. (stated without apologies to those of you who worship satan - I find all sides of that argument creepy.)

“We have seen the evil that drugs cause to every segment of society and contrary to what opponents say, we agree that any type of unauthorized drug use leads to problems,” said Wayne Sampson, executive director of the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association. “Anybody in a position of leadership that recognizes the dangers of drugs to our community, we certainly appreciate that support.”

Another sheriff believes allowing the legalization of marijuana would further open the door to a life of drug abuse and crime.

“Being sheriff of an institution that has more than 1,200 inmates today, with 80 percent who are drug- and alcohol-addicted, I’m a firm opponent of legalization myself,” Worcester County Sheriff Lewis G. Evangelidis said. “Inmates tell me daily that marijuana was a gateway drug for them. I hear that every day.”


Funny that Sheriff Evangelidis takes the imprisoned at their word in this case. I wonder how often that's his fall back position otherwise? Is it any wonder that drug warriors have stated this lie for so many years that those who are under their control repeat it?

Isn't it odd how stupid the arguments from the marijuana prohibitionists are?

This is why I say that drug warriors are the creationists of bureaucrats. I guess, tho, they gotta believe or they may not be able to continue to earn enough money to go out and buy a six pack on a Saturday night. Cheers!
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Is Francis' position different from Obama's? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #1
The pope's position is the same as Reagan's not Obama's. bravenak Jun 2014 #2
Obama wants to legalize recreational drugs? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #3
You know dang well i said the pope and Reagan's positions are the same. bravenak Jun 2014 #9
You stated that the Pope's position is different than Obama's. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #11
How are they the same? bravenak Jun 2014 #20
If it's not evil, than why put people in prison for it? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #21
If Obama thought it was "evil," he wouldn't have done this. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #26
So Obama asked for marijuana to be legalized? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #28
Marijuana on the road to legalization, of course time will tell but this is certainly a step in the Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #31
fwiw RainDog Jun 2014 #33
Certainly, one of us is vapid MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #34
well, I would never say that about you RainDog Jun 2014 #35
"demonstration of intentional vapidity"... SidDithers Jun 2014 #39
What did Obama do? You posted something Holder said Obama said. merrily Jun 2014 #53
Sometimes saying is doing and if Obama hadn't said it, I doubt Holder would've done it. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #54
actually no it is not dsc Jun 2014 #30
I agree partially, but I don't know if sloth is evil. It's a deadly sin for merrily Jun 2014 #55
No. bravenak Jun 2014 #36
Unfortunately Obama's position on the legalization of recreational drugs is the same as Reagan's. Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #22
No it's not RainDog Jun 2014 #32
At first I thought this was joke RainDog Jun 2014 #5
They never are funny. bravenak Jun 2014 #10
Obama stated marijuana is safer than alcohol. RainDog Jun 2014 #4
So Obama has said recreational drugs should be legalized? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #6
Nothing I said has to do with Obama RainDog Jun 2014 #8
I don't know because he's never spoken on the subject RainDog Jun 2014 #14
Has Obama told the DOJ to stop arresting Americans, nationwide, for using MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #18
I don't think the Pope is trying to make things better RainDog Jun 2014 #23
The President can tell DOJ to stop pot prosecutions. nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #25
The Obama White House calls drug abuse a public health issue RainDog Jun 2014 #29
How does your Frankie Two Shoes compare to Obama on LGBT equality. Obama supports equality. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #41
I disagree with Pope Francis on many things MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #42
Note that I did not ask you if you agreed, I asked you to compare and contrast Obama's views with Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #43
Then I hope you keep doing what you're doing MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #64
"He also talks about women's roles as barefoot and pregnant" Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #45
Oh, he's decided to join the 21st century RainDog Jun 2014 #48
"Anyone who supports this church supports the subjugation of women by default." Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #69
You don't seem to have a problem with oversimplification RainDog Jun 2014 #72
You accuse me of oversimplification, Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #73
actually, I believe you're the one who started down that road RainDog Jun 2014 #74
No, YOU were when you said Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #75
Colloquial versus doctrinal speech RainDog Jun 2014 #76
I think we are finished Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #77
Thanks! RainDog Jun 2014 #78
You know i agree with you 100 percent on this. bravenak Jun 2014 #7
do you have a link to the AK thing? RainDog Jun 2014 #12
Sorry, i forgot i should link it. bravenak Jun 2014 #15
That's exciting, bravenak! Sissyk Jun 2014 #50
Thank you, thats so nice of you to say. bravenak Jun 2014 #56
oh yeah Orange/Black is amazing...must see tv! randys1 Jun 2014 #51
Drugs aren't evil and drug addiction isn't evil. Drugs are nothing but inanimate objects, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #13
And, as some linguists and anthropologists have stated RainDog Jun 2014 #16
Precisely and maybe that's what the Pope is really scared of, Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #19
I hope he has excommunicated those pederast priests RainDog Jun 2014 #24
He said that clergy preying on children is like a satanic mass, but I don't know if he has Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #27
I know the church shielded them from prosecution or arrest RainDog Jun 2014 #37
"cannabis may have been integral to the development of Judeo-Christian beliefs" Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #46
What's your evidence for this? RainDog Jun 2014 #47
Here's the basis for my statement RainDog Jun 2014 #52
So, basically, it comes down to a guess about the meaning of a word in Hebrew Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #70
sure RainDog Jun 2014 #71
Any further thoughts on this? RainDog Jun 2014 #59
"medical use" skips really fast over to "recreational drug." UTUSN Jun 2014 #17
What makes you think that Pope Photo-Op cares about harm reduction?... SidDithers Jun 2014 #38
... RainDog Jun 2014 #65
Look any institution that claims that its leader is infallible malaise Jun 2014 #40
As I said in another thread, it is all about the competition n2doc Jun 2014 #44
He's siding with reactionaries RainDog Jun 2014 #66
k and r--thank you for this. niyad Jun 2014 #49
Yeah, he should never have excommunicated the Mafia. Bad move, that. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #57
The reason the mafia became so powerful RainDog Jun 2014 #58
I'm aware of that. But what does it have to do with a religious figure damning them? Hekate Jun 2014 #60
He was talking about drugs here, not the mafia RainDog Jun 2014 #61
This is the context of the OP RainDog Jun 2014 #62
The pope's position is in opposition to Latin American policy RainDog Jun 2014 #63
Wake me up when they switch to sacramental grape juice. KamaAina Jun 2014 #67
now, now RainDog Jun 2014 #68
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