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16. And, as some linguists and anthropologists have stated

Sat Jun 21, 2014, 11:03 PM

Jun 2014

cannabis may have been integral to the development of Judeo-Christian beliefs - both of them. It would be more surprising to know that cannabis was not part of the medicine of that place and time - since it was already, and had been for a while.

Trading between people in the middle East, Asia, Central Asia and Africa included the movement of cannabis from central asia to the middle east, and we have recorded history talking about the religious use of cannabis from a variety of sources and religions at the time.

I can understand religious stories more easily when I recognize they're part of the etheogenic history of humans. Moses was a shaman - everything he did aligns with the activity of a shaman. That's just not the word chosen to describe his actions.

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Is Francis' position different from Obama's? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #1

The pope's position is the same as Reagan's not Obama's. bravenak Jun 2014 #2

Obama wants to legalize recreational drugs? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #3

You know dang well i said the pope and Reagan's positions are the same. bravenak Jun 2014 #9

You stated that the Pope's position is different than Obama's. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #11

How are they the same? bravenak Jun 2014 #20

If it's not evil, than why put people in prison for it? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #21

If Obama thought it was "evil," he wouldn't have done this. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #26

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fwiw RainDog Jun 2014 #33

Certainly, one of us is vapid MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #34

well, I would never say that about you RainDog Jun 2014 #35

"demonstration of intentional vapidity"... SidDithers Jun 2014 #39

What did Obama do? You posted something Holder said Obama said. merrily Jun 2014 #53

Sometimes saying is doing and if Obama hadn't said it, I doubt Holder would've done it. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #54

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No. bravenak Jun 2014 #36

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They never are funny. bravenak Jun 2014 #10

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What's your evidence for this? RainDog Jun 2014 #47

Here's the basis for my statement RainDog Jun 2014 #52

So, basically, it comes down to a guess about the meaning of a word in Hebrew Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #70

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