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15. France, like Germany, had their own "mea culpa" phase
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:12 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:08 AM - Edit history (1)

The Germans had theirs forced upon them by their defeat in World War II. It took a generation, but it was mostly successful for two reasons. First, there weren't a lot of Jews left after the war, and the Allies kept Germany under their thumb for a generation--the Germans were forced to confront their victims.

France didn't leave their last big Arab colony until after the last uprising in Algeria int he 1960s. They then opened their country to millions of residents of their former colonies, but they forgot one major detail--they offered them a house, but not a home. Millions of Arabs came to France and were stuck in ethnic ghettos and ignored. Shocking living quarters, economic and racial discrimination, and high unemployment in general made for an explosive mixture. After 1967, when Arabic language broadcasts helped fuel hatred of Israel (a vague concept to the kids of Algerian immigrants in Paris) and Jews (very real and visibly present in Paris), now there was a focus. Couple that with the latent vestiges of Anti-Jewish sentiment left in tiny parts of the European French population, and you have a fertile ground for recruiting hate violence.

I have Jewish friends in France, and one of them has indeed moved to Israel. After all that has gone on in recent years, their feeling toward the Arab community in general is mutual. However we also get together with Muslim Arab friends when I'm there, so it's a weird mixed bag of feelings directed toward nebulous groups, but always other people "out there," who are nothing like the guys we hang out with at the local café.

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Thanks for this. H2O Man Jun 2014 #1
Fascism becomes more appealing the more the poor and middle class suffer. Laelth Jun 2014 #2
it's still no excuse. Yes, certain conditions act like fertilizer but the hate mongering fuckwads cali Jun 2014 #4
I didn't read it that way. H2O Man Jun 2014 #10
Thank you. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #13
That's how I read her post, as well. suffragette Jun 2014 #23
Never make excuses for fascism frazzled Jun 2014 #8
I don't disparage people who use "shame and blame" as rhetorical strategies. Laelth Jun 2014 #14
la plus ca change.... cali Jun 2014 #3
Hatred of the Jews has a long standing history in Europe... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #5
well, yes Europe is fertile ground, but much of the recent anti-semitism there seems to cali Jun 2014 #7
A big influx of Muslims of various nationalities also contribute, I think... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #9
True, however in this case it sounds as though it is being smirkymonkey Jun 2014 #28
In yesterday's New York Times: frazzled Jun 2014 #6
Thanks for posting. Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #11
This is not surprising. Behind the Aegis Jun 2014 #12
+ 1000 Rhinodawg Jun 2014 #27
France, like Germany, had their own "mea culpa" phase DFW Jun 2014 #15
Insightful. Thanks for the post. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #18
Only one man's view, of course DFW Jun 2014 #19
I was aware of that. Laelth Jun 2014 #20
An interesting side note DFW Jun 2014 #24
Kick Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #16
At least on the far-right anti-Semitism had seemed to be losing to Islamophobia. pampango Jun 2014 #17
Not only anti semitism, unfortunely.... mylye2222 Jun 2014 #21
Not sure how 'new'; but getting worse with the economy being in the mess that it is. LeftishBrit Jun 2014 #22
k&r Sissyk Jun 2014 #25
Disgusting and a shame! Anansi1171 Jun 2014 #26
K& R. nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #29
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