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30. That is it in a nutshell, djean111

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:13 PM

Jun 2014

Any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show.

We saw a 62 - to 64% turnout for one Barack Obama back in November 2008.

This happened because people felt like he would make a difference.

By 2012, the writing was on the wall, and only 54% of all eligible voters turned out.

From tabling here in Lake County Calif., believe me, the turnout in 2016 will be pathetic if we only get a choice between Corporatist from Party A or Corporatist from Party B.

i was not allowed to talk to people while I tabled. But people told me that the idea that voting for the "lesser of two evils" made them ill, and was permanently turning them off politics.

The meme might as well be "You peons can't make a difference, so just shut up and vote for the Dems as they smile more than the Republicans while they screw you over."

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New Statesman : Why Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary Clinton and run for the US presidency [View all] mylye2222 Jun 2014 OP

my thoughts exactly Schema Thing Jun 2014 #1

Senator Elizabeth Warren has said more than once that she is not running. warrior1 Jun 2014 #2

Yes, and Hillary said in a post-2008 interview, mylye2222 Jun 2014 #4

And that's why people say that they hope she changes her mind. Dawgs Jun 2014 #16

So has Hillary krawhitham Jun 2014 #48

I like her a lot but she let me see something during her interview with Chris Matthews. kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #49

why do you want to hand the presidency to the GOP beachbum bob Jun 2014 #3

I just care of not having a corporade Dem as president, who mylye2222 Jun 2014 #6

AFAICT those years aren't much different than these years whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #9

Any major Democrat including Warren should have no trouble beating totodeinhere Jun 2014 #28

you are so wrong...warren and any democrat that can branded batshit crazy liberal will LOSE beachbum bob Jun 2014 #33

I agree, Hillary is a terrible choice. She will lose badly! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #31

Help me out here-- which of them has already lost a presidential primary? /nt Marr Jun 2014 #36

After all her financial hardships, perhaps she will get the pity vote /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #45

Heard that about 2008 grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #55

Nominating HRC Would Be A Throwback To The 90s cantbeserious Jun 2014 #5

and the 90's was a pretty good decade for america beachbum bob Jun 2014 #41

And Planted Many Seeds Of Destruction Now Afflicting The 99% cantbeserious Jun 2014 #42

Warren isn't running, and she made very clear if Hillary runs she will support her. The only way lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #7

Write In Ballot Still Exists In Many States cantbeserious Jun 2014 #43

Then go for it lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #51

K&R pscot Jun 2014 #8

The National Debate between the two would be well worth it Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #10

The debate would be good, but any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show. djean111 Jun 2014 #12

Today Salon has an article on Hillary's fake populism Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #14

+1000000000000000000000.................................. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #17

You should post that as an OP -- It hits the nail right on the head Armstead Jun 2014 #67

That is it in a nutshell, djean111 truedelphi Jun 2014 #30

I think HRC has made her choice. She knows the left is lost to her. She has to try rhett o rick Jun 2014 #58

How sad - someone running as a "Democrat" who concedes she has lost the Left. djean111 Jun 2014 #59

I do not agree we need a third party. We need to take back control of our Democratic Party rhett o rick Jun 2014 #61

I agree with you in spirit, but in practice, Wall Street owns the Democratic party, djean111 Jun 2014 #63

But nothing would make the oligarchs happier than to splinter off the left into a third party. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #64

Though I can appreciate supporting Democratic candidates in upcoming elections there is a time we Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #11

Maybe it'll get Hillary to state she has some comfortable shoes. bahrbearian Jun 2014 #13

lol. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #54

I read the same thing about Rand Paul rickyhall Jun 2014 #15

"it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left" djean111 Jun 2014 #18

DUzy! for "temporary parking." nt truebluegreen Jun 2014 #20

Yup rickyhall Jun 2014 #37

Warren, Sanders, Reich, they should all run. joshcryer Jun 2014 #19

Please reconsider Liz! FiggyJay Jun 2014 #21

Shortly after the November, 2014 elections, people will MineralMan Jun 2014 #22

She's got my vote and I haven't volunteered for a campaign since McGovern, but I am ready. marble falls Jun 2014 #23

Ms. Warren is not running. I believe she's bright enough not to take this or any other bait. mulsh Jun 2014 #24

I really hope she doesn't. freebrew Jun 2014 #25

She can lose and remain in the senate as John Kerry did. Running, we can have a real conversation. TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #26

I can see that... freebrew Jun 2014 #34

Recommend! KoKo Jun 2014 #27

Applause from my household for your OP. n/t truedelphi Jun 2014 #29

All republicans and 80% of DUers agree! Walk away Jun 2014 #32

Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary and pound the shit out of her. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #35

Hillary runs dirty, she will attempt to savage Elizabeth Warren Dragonfli Jun 2014 #46

Her dirty attacks against Obama are what really turned me against her. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #47

Yup. And so should Bernie Sanders. We need more liberal progressive voices "out there" K&R riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #38

I do not believe that "Dems are majority hoping for Hillary" I think the Majority of Dems Vincardog Jun 2014 #39

K&R. Yes please! Overseas Jun 2014 #40

It would be better if she ran after Citizen's United was overturned. Kablooie Jun 2014 #44

I want Warren, Sanders, whoever, to run just as Clinton is running and DEBATE everything! freshwest Jun 2014 #50

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #52

We're not going to stop beating this dead horse, are we? RandySF Jun 2014 #53

It's not good enough to just move Hillary's rhetoric to the left, only to have her govern .... Scuba Jun 2014 #56

Around 6 months ago, Warren endorsed Clinton for 2016 Reter Jun 2014 #57

That's funny Mnpaul Jun 2014 #65

She said otherwise in October Reter Jun 2014 #66

Urging Clinton to run Mnpaul Jun 2014 #69

Replace "Warren" with "Sanders" and "she" with "he" KamaAina Jun 2014 #60

K & R AzDar Jun 2014 #62

I think she should stay in the Senate. We NEED Democrats in Congress. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #68