‘Bullsh*t!’ Greenwald and Iraq Vet Blow Up on Real Time over Snowden Leaks

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153. You base your distrust upon nothing but fantasy and hearsay. You sound like right wingers

who hated liberals for the last eight years -- they were people giving you information that you have a right to know.

NO whistleblower steals. You paid for that information and you have a right to the knowledge of what the government is doing. When this government keeps its surveillance from you, it is stealing from YOU. Journalists jobs are to keep government representing the interests of the many over the moneyed few.

Even your gut should tell you that when you have a founding document that proclaims rules that all laws must follow, your government doesn't get to make 'secret' laws contrary to that document. Until we citizens approve a new Constitution that allows such 'secret' laws, this government's secret laws are null and void, and Congress is committing criminal acts by enacting further secret laws they know to be unconstitutional.

You get evidential proof of your government lawbreaking across sixteen agencies, but you yourself are suckered in by this government's words; a government that even before this proof, you KNEW constantly betrayed your rights as it promised to keep you "secure" through the Patriot Act and the NDAA authorizations.

Now you're suckered by the NSA's "official story" outcries such that you must see any journalist not on their "approved" list as an "ista." It's clear from your derogatory "Snowdenistas" that you have little idea of who or what secures or endangers your freedoms. You insult the majority of DU'ers (see recent WillyT polls) by calling them that. You would have hated Daniel Ellsberg, who calls Snowden an even more important whistleblower for our time than Ellsberg himself was for his time. Ellsberg never makes his claims lightly.

Yet you do. Your confidence is bluster, empty of fact. Knowledge costs, but you'd save your Greenwald book money over hearsay instead of opening yourself to new information.

Never forget that for Americans, "the debate" isn't what the NSA or any of their media machine tell us it is. Or who it is. The Debate is really about our government's complete betrayal of its oath to uphold this country's Constitution, shredding its citizens' privacy and that founding document. Now we have proof.

People of all political parties and socioeconomic classes should be able to get behind that.

Don't be a dupe of protection racketeers. That game is still running but most of us see it for what it is. Scapegoating Snowden or Greenwald won't work anymore. Think about it.