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former9thward

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45. Whatever poverty Marx lived in it was his choice.

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:51 PM

Jun 2014

Both he and his wife Jenny were born into wealthy families. Both were well educated. Both had access to money. Especially Engels who left a $4.8 million fortune -- mostly to Marx's children. That was an enormous fortune in those days. If Child Protective Services existed back then they would have taken away the children. Their living quarters were filthy and four of the children died. They later had a housekeeper. Most people in poverty don't have housekeepers.

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Believe it or not: Karl Marx is making a comeback [View all] xchrom Jun 2014 OP

Perry Anderson malaise Jun 2014 #1

+1 xchrom Jun 2014 #2

Marx was an ass. Archae Jun 2014 #3

... TBF Jun 2014 #4

Most of the 20th Century called....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #15

It's true some will always lovemydog Jun 2014 #16

Spot on. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #25

I do know, pure capitalism doesn't work either. Archae Jun 2014 #28

Our base desires are not written in stone Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #85

Considering Marx lived in poverty most of his adult life..... De Leonist Jun 2014 #23

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Whatever poverty Marx lived in it was his choice. former9thward Jun 2014 #45

Really ? De Leonist Jun 2014 #46

I don't think Marx looked at money and finances the way most of us do. former9thward Jun 2014 #49

Have you ever managed to kick and claw your way through Kapital? Warpy Jun 2014 #53

Kind of like the kind of capitalism we're headed back to..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #60

Have you actually read anything written by Marx? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #63

Tried to. Archae Jun 2014 #65

How exactly can you dismiss someone like Marx without reading his work? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #66

I dont need to read "The Turner Diaries" to know it's bullshit. Archae Jun 2014 #68

How can you know what is actually contained within a text without reading it? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #71

It is interesting that this is hitting the mainstream - TBF Jun 2014 #5

Yep. That is EXACTLY what it is.......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #13

Great points socialist_n_TN lovemydog Jun 2014 #18

Spot on, Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2014 #86

Don't forget that those of us over 40 saw what the perversion of Marxixm Warpy Jun 2014 #51

I am over 40 and not confused about what Marxism actually is - TBF Jun 2014 #52

"Dictatorship of the proletariat." Warpy Jun 2014 #55

I have. He was counterposing that to the current....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #61

Revolutionary Catalonia is a better example. joshcryer Jun 2014 #89

Marxist-Leninism is the only thing tried. joshcryer Jun 2014 #88

That's rather my position, also Warpy Jun 2014 #90

I think there are better authors who preceded him. joshcryer Jun 2014 #91

Well enjoy that hangman's noose when the capitalists counterattack........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #97

I agree with Marxian economist Richard Wolff: deutsey Jun 2014 #6

If the people in charge gave a care about the 99% Demeter Jun 2014 #7

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The sad thing is most people don't even know what Marxism/Communism was. A guy on youtube asked MillennialDem Jun 2014 #11

i've been surprised by people i thought were politically well read, nashville_brook Jun 2014 #24

Even though Stalin was a monster and totalitarian, many falsehoods which make him out even MillennialDem Jun 2014 #27

Cold War artifacts no doubt -- i'm sure this was taught in school nashville_brook Jun 2014 #50

That is a very good point and worth stating - TBF Jun 2014 #35

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That's really good to hear - TBF Jun 2014 #47

I studied the philosophy of Marxism lovemydog Jun 2014 #12

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Marx called capitalism a vampire. K&R for truth. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #14

I never hated Marx. ananda Jun 2014 #17

I'd encourage everyone here to read Marx for Beginners lovemydog Jun 2014 #19

Marxists even disagree on how much TBF Jun 2014 #36

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i have no idea what you're talking about. nt xchrom Jun 2014 #22

That makes 3 of us. H2O Man Jun 2014 #26

4. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #31

That's because what they said makes no sense. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #73

Marx is great for identifying the problems in society. Top notch, actually. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #29

That's what I always thought. Brigid Jun 2014 #32

Well for starters the prescription was never really tried nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #67

the worker will rise up lovuian Jun 2014 #33

I wish he could come back and write a treatise on information KamaAina Jun 2014 #34

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Have you heard of the grundrisse? DireStrike Jun 2014 #44

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such wit! xchrom Jun 2014 #39

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He never went anywhere. joshcryer Jun 2014 #43

Thank you. nt clarice Jun 2014 #56

If you studied Classical Political Economy Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #48

Then what is it that we live under? nt clarice Jun 2014 #58

Arguably, a proto-fascist state. Certainly an economic oligarchy. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #64

No, I mean in the REAL world... clarice Jun 2014 #69

Are you reading what I write? In the real world, the conception of the free-market doesn't exist. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #70

With all due respect, Those exact thoughts.... clarice Jun 2014 #72

What exactly has led to the "inhalation of millions of people?" Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #74

LOL....Should have used spell check. nt clarice Jun 2014 #75

Glossing over the spelling error, what has led to the annihilation of millions of people? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #76

By all accepted statistics ...... 40,000,000 people were starved to death by Stalin's regime alone. clarice Jun 2014 #77

Again, what specific idea from my post lead to the death of millions of people? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #78

Again with all due respect,,,,, clarice Jun 2014 #79

You haven't answered my question. What idea of mine is responsible for millions dead? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #80

Certainly I did....I pasted your exact comments in my previous post. clarice Jun 2014 #81

Okay, so let's have a one on one about basic argumentation skills... Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #83

Sorry, you lost me after Okay.....nt clarice Jun 2014 #98

You lost yourself. My statements are concise. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #99

Read The Wealth of Nations, Das Kapital Jeneral2885 Jun 2014 #95

I expect they're confusing him with xfundy Jun 2014 #57

I don't know how relevant Marx himself is nowadays, but if one can avoid struggle4progress Jun 2014 #59

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