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In reply to the discussion: Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all]merrily
(45,251 posts)84. Campaign promises don't mislead?
I don't think our politicians have misled anyone, certainly not me. I think they generally represent the aggregate views of their constituents.
That is repeated again and again by politicians and therefore here, but it simply is not true.
If people are polled on issues, without labeling the issues as conservative or liberal or anything else, and if they are polled before anyone cranks up the propaganda, people poll more left than right.
For example, shortly after Obama was elected the first time, over 70% of Americans polled of both parties--over 70% of both parties--indicated they wanted a public option in a health care bill (which meant they also wanted a health care bill). The same majority, over 70% of both parties--said they wanted taxes raises on income over 250K a year.
The problem is not that a majority of constitutents are rightist on economic issues. Or that a majority of constitutents are demanding wars out of the blue. Or defeat of Warren's student loan bill. It's that the vast majority of very rich people are rightist on economic issues and make money from wars and they buy the politicians.
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Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all]
Armstead
Jun 2014
OP
Thank you. I so agree with you, and you explain the facts so well. Thank you.
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#102
Could be. But I think a lot of voters old enough to remember the Clinton presidency and
CTyankee
Jun 2014
#265
No, I'm talking about collective action...hey, we're on the same side here, aren't we?
CTyankee
Jun 2014
#300
Oh, we all love to vent...I know I do...but it's what we do in our own communities that really
CTyankee
Jun 2014
#303
Armstead's post was closer to reality than yours. That's not hard to understand, is it?
merrily
Jun 2014
#55
It simply goes to the fact that a complete evisceration of William J. Clinton's record
BootinUp
Jun 2014
#78
Someone already posted a Clinton list, but the problem with those lists is that
merrily
Jun 2014
#81
Sorry, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signing the bill that allowed for the consolidation
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#100
If Bill had really learned, or wanted to learn, he'd be using his influence to reverse the results
Armstead
Jun 2014
#111
Try telling that to the millions of hopeful Americans who lost their homes in 2008.
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#113
If you want to know why we prefer Elizabeth Warren to Hillary, watch the video at Post No. 23
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#117
She is one of the very few who can be trusted to side with the ordinary American citizen.
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#146
I did op research on Bill Clinton's business and economic policies in Arkansas.
amandabeech
Jun 2014
#165
Precisely. People voted for him because he would "feel their pain." He was an empathetic figure on
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2014
#29
In the long run many (not all) of those things were part of the poisonous trail...
Armstead
Jun 2014
#71
THIS is a crock 'o shit. "What happened under GW was merely the inevitable..."
BootinUp
Jun 2014
#90
Have you seen the knowing grin on Clinton's face when he signed the repeal of Glass-
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#129
The problem with the Clinton presidency, as I said above is that it was like eating fast food
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#109
The deindustrialization of the US ramped up unbelievably with NAFTA and MFN for China.
amandabeech
Jun 2014
#166
Then do it. Defend your wonderful NAFTA, CAFTA, MFN, TPP and whatever else you have in mind
amandabeech
Jun 2014
#190
Tariffs should be a tool in the box and I also am less than bought in on the idea that
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#234
Because the "we" negotiating them has no such intent. It is often "we" that insist on the worst part
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#272
A centrist describes just about every Democratic Presidential candidate that ever won.
BootinUp
Jun 2014
#127
Not true. Then again, neither it is true that only centrists can win elections.
merrily
Jun 2014
#133
I think the persona management software has found a way to spoof post count and join date.
Maedhros
Jun 2014
#311
Good Points.. NC is doing it with "Moral Mondays" with Marches, Sit In's and those going to jail...
KoKo
Jun 2014
#329
Actually the thanks go to Iching Carpenter, who originally steered me to this in anotehr thread
Armstead
Jun 2014
#13
Yes, Hope is a nice safe nebulous commodity....Change, on the other hand, is more difficult
Armstead
Jun 2014
#14
One of the few subjects DU and FR agree on: hatred of all things Clinton. n/t
NYC Liberal
Jun 2014
#15
Fine. "Strongly dislike". And it's a simple fact: both DU and FR "strongly dislike" the Clintons.
NYC Liberal
Jun 2014
#17
You know, here you go, just wanting to help with that shallow argument of yours
nadinbrzezinski
Jun 2014
#26
The "tween" approach to politics is the idea that if you don't agree with an ally 100%
NYC Liberal
Jun 2014
#43
No, that's bullshit. It's what I said. And, sorry, but I am tired of arguing bullshit with
merrily
Jun 2014
#47
how ironic. the BOG shock troops are constantly trolling looking for perceived "hatred"
noiretextatique
Jun 2014
#156
I believe that's an inch deep and a mile wide, but we shall see. You still can't employ
cali
Jun 2014
#61
We need to stop the bleeding of the lower classes by the uber wealthy. If the FR agrees then
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#170
I think you are being too hard on them. I dont have the info at hand but a lot of them died
rhett o rick
Jun 2014
#324
Just think "tweety bird" re the infamous other one, it is funny in a way and easy to remember /nt
Dragonfli
Jun 2014
#121
Neoliberalism (dumb name for it) didn't come close to hitting its stride until the DLC
merrily
Jun 2014
#32
The entire economic platform of the party changed with the forming of the DLC
Dragonfli
Jun 2014
#123
Calling a strategy to win elections was the way to sell it to Democratic voters.
merrily
Jun 2014
#144
surely not, but there's no daylight btwn Hillary's and Bill's economic programs
nashville_brook
Jun 2014
#66
Kicked their ass repealing Glass - Stegall? Kicked their ass deregulation the media? Kicked their
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#226
I thought you were explaining an asswhooping or more crucially, how it wasn't us that took it.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#237
I'm still missing what ass kicking there is. You have rationalized a lot of bad policy, fine.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2014
#273
You missed a lot apparently. But we are in the realm of opinions. Keep yours for all I care. nt
BootinUp
Jun 2014
#277
Which is why we need to find a viable populist candidate now or our only choices will be Hill or Jeb
corkhead
Jun 2014
#41
yes. years ago, i remember watching his interview on the daily show
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#118
That's worrisome...But I can't understand why it would be in one thread and no the whole site
Armstead
Jun 2014
#236
Disagree. The DLC took down a lot of stuff from its website last time I looked.
merrily
Jun 2014
#278