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Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:59 PM

Apr 2012

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Once Upon a Time, Liberals Hated the Individual Health Insurance Mandate [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

That's because we didn't want insurance at all, just a universal health plan, but Cleita Apr 2012 #1

We "got stuck" with the insurance industry bill when the administration decided to stick us with it Better Believe It Apr 2012 #5

Then what? cliffordu Apr 2012 #52

Obama's health care plan in the primaries was the same as Hillary Clinton's plan, only Liquorice Apr 2012 #68

More ProSense Apr 2012 #2

Timothy P Carney?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #3

Avik Roy? ProSense Apr 2012 #8

It's worse than that.... SunsetDreams Apr 2012 #10

Oh my! n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #12

Holy shit, hahaha. joshcryer Apr 2012 #16

Yikes indeed. What stranger bedfellows. Here's Ezra Klein's take: joshcryer Apr 2012 #14

There is ProSense Apr 2012 #18

Thanks, Sid... russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #13

As long as it is a hatchet job, BBI promotes it. emulatorloo Apr 2012 #24

Hey Sid! Scurrilous Apr 2012 #38

Hehehe... SidDithers Apr 2012 #76

Mandates suck, but not as bad as what we had before. Hoyt Apr 2012 #4

It will be far worse. This legislation was written by big business lobbyists. Need I say more? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #6

So just don't purchase it. You're not being forced to buy anything. Pay the tax instead. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #7

And pay again when services are needed? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #11

That's the ideal solution.. russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #15

And two-thirds of Americans want it MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #17

I'd go for Medicare for all, but the cost is still going to tick folks off. Hoyt Apr 2012 #19

Unless we totally fuck it up, we'll save a fortune MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #20

At best you'll save 15%, and then only if people moderate expectations. Hoyt Apr 2012 #23

Exactly right! You get it. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #22

Having a reasonable Medicare for All payroll tax would be fine. Who is proposing that? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #21

I like your post Go Vols Apr 2012 #37

You can choose to look at it that way or you can look at it as helping your fellow Americans. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #39

Huh? That isn't how taxes work. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #44

The Govt IS shouldering the cost. MILLIONS of new people will receive MediCare. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #116

Paying taxes for a Medicare for All single payer system is good but that's not being proposed. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #95

But MILLIONS of new recipients of MediCare IS progressive. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #117

Their won't be millions of new recipients of Medicare. The qualifying age remains 65 years old. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #124

Actually, because some people will qualify to have their premiums subsidized the government will dflprincess Apr 2012 #114

That's actually a good way of looking at it, being if you choose the tax it will be done during tax FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #118

Yeah, we got a raw deal, but we're helping people, and progressing. joshcryer Apr 2012 #9

The significant parts of the article of course BBI omitted those. Leads with the negative, emulatorloo Apr 2012 #25

Assumes people won't read the links. joshcryer Apr 2012 #42

Same tactic Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #82

*Liberals* still do. Marr Apr 2012 #26

BLAST you and your Republican talking points! Zalatix Apr 2012 #27

I hope people don't listen to a guy in Romney's Health Care Policy Advisory Group joshcryer Apr 2012 #30

See post #3. Poor choice of source. emulatorloo Apr 2012 #31

True, unfortunately his name sullies the basic fact that he's right. Zalatix Apr 2012 #33

And the present "fight," where everyone argues for what they were once against, is very strange. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #59

Exactly. Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

I have always been for mandates. joshcryer Apr 2012 #66

using a RWer to once again slam dems? have you no shame? don't answer. dionysus Apr 2012 #28

Almost as offensive as passing far right wing legislation and calling it a liberal victory. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #45

lol dionysus Apr 2012 #50

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich are not Right Wing? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #85

+100000 nt woo me with science Apr 2012 #78

The ACA is "far right wing legislation"?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #79

The Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich are not Right Wing? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #86

Comedy gold... SidDithers Apr 2012 #90

You have neglected the needs of your own country, you need to convince people like Michael M. Rachli Dragonfli Apr 2012 #92

X100 You sum it up perfectly. bvar22 Apr 2012 #97

. dionysus Apr 2012 #111

The post of an educated man Dragonfli Apr 2012 #119

i'd like to take this opportunity to thank you guys for the continued free entertainment... dionysus Apr 2012 #123

Again, the entire depth of your arguing ability, 11 year old comedian. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #125

+1 Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #112

Yes, exactly. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #113

So did you embrace the Republican/RW support for mandatory private insurance .... Better Believe It Apr 2012 #96

what i don't embrace are anti-dem campaigns... dionysus Apr 2012 #108

So how do you feel about mandatory private health insurance first proposed by right-wing Republicans Better Believe It Apr 2012 #109

i'll just leave you to your little campaign. dionysus Apr 2012 #110

I have hated that Heritage Foundation POS for at least 20 years now, I must change 180 now Dragonfli Apr 2012 #29

<tweety voice> You bad ol' Democrat! Zalatix Apr 2012 #35

No ProSense Apr 2012 #40

What? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #46

Not a chance ProSense Apr 2012 #48

Dance all you want to, I won't dislike you for it, but it has been a GOP plan for over 20 years Dragonfli Apr 2012 #49

I'm ProSense Apr 2012 #51

None of that changes the reality that it is a bad Right Wing Idea from 20 years ago Dragonfli Apr 2012 #53

And ProSense Apr 2012 #54

Blue links do not negate history, particularly history within easy memory. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #75

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"being duped by Romney advisers makes one a better Democrat" NCTraveler Apr 2012 #87

^^^^I taut I tay a pudy cat! ^^^^ Dragonfli Apr 2012 #47

One thing I've always wondered... BlueCheese Apr 2012 #32

This might ProSense Apr 2012 #36

Political opportunism to differentiate himself. He never ruled it out. joshcryer Apr 2012 #41

He didn't rule out jail time either. Or execution, for that matter. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61

*sigh* I remember. Edwards and Hillary were for the mandate. Obama flopped. joshcryer Apr 2012 #62

no idea what your point is. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #63

It was never a strong position is all I'm saying. joshcryer Apr 2012 #64

Yep. He lied. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #65

Eh, I doubt he planned to flip flop, made him look weak. joshcryer Apr 2012 #67

Obama is NOT a liberal, this article is bogus on that account nt msongs Apr 2012 #34

Happy Birthday, Obamacare (Part Deux!) ProSense Apr 2012 #43

It's the best we can do in a country that will not allow government based solutions. mmonk Apr 2012 #69

And yet two thirds of Americans want Medicare for all... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #70

But no solution is on the horizon and corporatism is getting worse. mmonk Apr 2012 #71

Isn't going quite as planned, is it? Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #72

Continually rehashing the past is unhealthy for relationships and AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #102

The mandate was a minor point of difference between Obama and Clinton's Healthcare plans. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #73

Pathetic. Truly. You really are desperate. Makes me queasy. cali Apr 2012 #74

Once upon a time, liberals didn't post opinions from right-wing authors...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #77

Why are you using a RW gasbag as a source? Odin2005 Apr 2012 #80

Are you denying the fact that Republicans proposed the mandate and liberal Democrats opposed it? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #84

So are you admiting that the article was absolutely true on corporate support for the mandate? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #94

k&r and thank-you for saying it in plain english. robinlynne Apr 2012 #81

Evidently, ProSense Apr 2012 #83

John Edwards was the first candidate to propose a "Public Option". bvar22 Apr 2012 #98

And now Edwards owes the gov't $2.1 million. Go figure. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #100

He also ProSense Apr 2012 #103

looks pretty mandatey to me AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #104

The "Mandate" is not the problem. bvar22 Apr 2012 #107

Edwards was, or is. robinlynne Apr 2012 #134

REAL Liberals still HATE the individual Mandate DLCbeedaGOP Apr 2012 #88

... SidDithers Apr 2012 #89

Go figure. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #91

the real ones still do.... mike_c Apr 2012 #93

+100 wickerwoman Apr 2012 #120

American's concerns and lives are "off the table", the corrupt table that is just1voice Apr 2012 #99

See Gore Vidal, Frank Zappa, etc. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #101

Once upon a time, the Democratic Party was run by liberals. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #105

Considering the sources you quoted, MineralMan Apr 2012 #106

Well this Liberal still does. Matariki Apr 2012 #115

liberals used to be against a lot of things Enrique Apr 2012 #121

I still do. Ganja Ninja Apr 2012 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #126

I still hate it :( varelse Apr 2012 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Apr 2012 #130

So when your last thread didn't go your way, you decide to post again? jeff47 Apr 2012 #129

well, yeah. the anti dem campaign never stops. dionysus Apr 2012 #131

The use of right-wing sources is particularly telling...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #132

So you disagreed with the following comment? If so, why? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #133