K&R. Every DUer should read this. (Reply #96)

In the discussion thread: Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all]

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:49 PM

JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

96. K&R. Every DUer should read this.

I am posting the link again so that I can put it on my journal and cite to it in Hillary Clinton threads. It points precisely at the problem with a Hillary Clinton candidacy.

Fool me once . . . . as George W. Bush once tried to say.

We have been fooled for the past 34 years. I for one am tired of it.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/hillary_clinton_forgets_the_90s_our_latest_gilded_age_and_our_latest_phony_populists/

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Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all]	Armstead	Jun 2014	OP
Under the bus with ya, Thomas n/t	IDemo	Jun 2014	#1
DURec	leftstreet	Jun 2014	#2
Clinton was always very specific about hsi proposals (a total wonk)	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#3
People voted for his populist persona and his rhetoric	Armstead	Jun 2014	#4
Its a nice attempt to re-write history	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#8
Not re-writing history. The problem is that we're not learning from history.	Armstead	Jun 2014	#11
Just Want To Add My Support For What Armstead Is	ChiciB1	Jun 2014	#64
THAT is the catch 22 and there is this pesky thing called Congress	Cosmocat	Jun 2014	#263
Thank you. I so agree with you, and you explain the facts so well. Thank you.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#102
I agree 100%	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#247
Could be. But I think a lot of voters old enough to remember the Clinton presidency and	CTyankee	Jun 2014	#265
Dimson is already making some of the worst US Presidents ever lists, at	merrily	Jun 2014	#285
Well, I think we do it every day here at DU...	CTyankee	Jun 2014	#287
Posting at DU pulls politicians to the left?	merrily	Jun 2014	#289
No, I'm talking about collective action...hey, we're on the same side here, aren't we?	CTyankee	Jun 2014	#300
Yes, acting in our own communities and maybe beyond.	merrily	Jun 2014	#301
Oh, we all love to vent...I know I do...but it's what we do in our own communities that really	CTyankee	Jun 2014	#303
Your post re-wrote history a lot more than Armstead's.	merrily	Jun 2014	#33
Please point out the errors in my post, until then	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#50
Armstead's post was closer to reality than yours. That's not hard to understand, is it?	merrily	Jun 2014	#55
Of course reality says he is the most popular President in the last	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#58
That was not the reality under discussion between you	merrily	Jun 2014	#60
It simply goes to the fact that a complete evisceration of William J. Clinton's record	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#78
Someone already posted a Clinton list, but the problem with those lists is that	merrily	Jun 2014	#81
P.S. I didn't completely eviscerate anyone's record and this is so	merrily	Jun 2014	#86
Well done	pscot	Jun 2014	#204
Thank you!	merrily	Jun 2014	#205
Thank you.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#249
De nada.	merrily	Jun 2014	#284
No it doesn't...	sendero	Jun 2014	#206
The misjudgments continue.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#248
I don't think it's misjudgment.	merrily	Jun 2014	#286
Clinton had charm. He loves people.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#105
+1	merrily	Jun 2014	#162
Sorry, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signing the bill that allowed for the consolidation	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#100
This is being discussed just below.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#106
If Bill had really learned, or wanted to learn, he'd be using his influence to reverse the results	Armstead	Jun 2014	#111
I think he and Hillary have been doing their part	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#115
He campaigned for Obama out of political convenience.	bunnies	Jun 2014	#327
Try telling that to the millions of hopeful Americans who lost their homes in 2008.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#113
#97 & #103	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#116
If you want to know why we prefer Elizabeth Warren to Hillary, watch the video at Post No. 23	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#117
Can she win?	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#120
She is one of the very few who can be trusted to side with the ordinary American citizen.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#146
I think you are a dreamer. But thats just my opinion. lol.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#147
You supported Warren for her political appointment? Interesting.	merrily	Jun 2014	#172
I did op research on Bill Clinton's business and economic policies in Arkansas.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#165
Thing is, most voters are not lawyers who do op research on a	merrily	Jun 2014	#224
You can thank President Clinton...	elzenmahn	Jun 2014	#223
You'd be better off decrying the great increase	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#225
"Wider range of opinion..."	elzenmahn	Jun 2014	#238
On network programming there is no choice.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#250
IKR	ctsnowman	Jun 2014	#264
+1	merrily	Jun 2014	#230
"You can thank President Clinton...	merrily	Jun 2014	#288
Precisely. People voted for him because he would "feel their pain." He was an empathetic figure on	Ed Suspicious	Jun 2014	#29
Most people do	laundry_queen	Jun 2014	#239
Yep. That's why, "Would you want to have a beer with him?" somehow	merrily	Jun 2014	#290
I was there. I don't drink beer.	bigtree	Jun 2014	#44
In the long run many (not all) of those things were part of the poisonous trail...	Armstead	Jun 2014	#71
Excellent post. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#85
THIS is a crock 'o shit. "What happened under GW was merely the inevitable..."	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#90
They both helped it along	Armstead	Jun 2014	#94
Clinton did not champion financial deregulation. Thats another crock.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#97
Of course he woudn't run on it and....	Armstead	Jun 2014	#101
Yes, he is smart. And if you read all he said in that interview	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#103
If there's a problem, common sense would tell you not to make it worse	Armstead	Jun 2014	#110
Have you seen the knowing grin on Clinton's face when he signed the repeal of Glass-	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#129
There's going to be a lot of us little folk supporting Hillary.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#131
All "us" little folk who claim to have recommended Warren for her post?	merrily	Jun 2014	#231
He may have admitted it was a mistake, but he sure didn't Truman up.	merrily	Jun 2014	#210
It wasn't Clinton's fault. But iit was partly Clinton's fault.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#219
It was a lot Clinton's fault. Bush was to blame, yes, but	merrily	Jun 2014	#221
Is it a surprise that Clinton blamed it on Bush?	merrily	Jun 2014	#152
Dems voted 155 for and 51 against.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#158
Senate 98-0 on the final bill.	merrily	Jun 2014	#159
No, he didn't	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#161
Yes, he did. He told Dems he wanted on his desk ASAP.	merrily	Jun 2014	#183
Governing is a tough job	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#184
Oh, please tell me you didn't waste everyone's time with all those posts	merrily	Jun 2014	#188
She might be even worse than Bill.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#251
Well, she's already clinging to her religion and her guns, apparently.	merrily	Jun 2014	#292
And who did Obama hire in his first term? Summers and Sperling.	merrily	Jun 2014	#291
I want a president who is not afraid if exercising the veto.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#134
No one can say what happens after a veto until it happens.	merrily	Jun 2014	#191
Barack Obama: 2 vetoes. [n/t]	Maedhros	Jun 2014	#307
He's not a king!	merrily	Jun 2014	#310
All I hear is that Obama has to deal with such a hostile Congress.	Maedhros	Jun 2014	#312
How hostile was it 2009-2011?	merrily	Jun 2014	#314
REPEAL OF GLASS STEAGALL--MORTGAGE DERIVATIVES--ECONOMIC COLLAPSE	merrily	Jun 2014	#142
#97 & #103	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#143
Wrong again. Clinton URGED repeal of Glass Steagall.	merrily	Jun 2014	#145
Look. He explains it. You can NOT believe him if you wish.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#149
Clinton has not been faithful to the truth when it requires him to admit	merrily	Jun 2014	#164
what about 8 years of top to bottom prosperity don't you understand?	bigtree	Jun 2014	#119
It was when the money started flowing from the bottom to the top	Armstead	Jun 2014	#128
Clinton did what he could during his presidency	bigtree	Jun 2014	#138
Top to bottom? Only if you don't count the bottom!	merrily	Jun 2014	#194
This message was self-deleted by its author	merrily	Jun 2014	#195
There are things I didn't like about Clinton	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jun 2014	#75
Yeah, most of us were there and sober, too. Please see reply 81.	merrily	Jun 2014	#91
The problem with the Clinton presidency, as I said above is that it was like eating fast food	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#109
Shhhh.....you'll upset the torch and pitchfork brigade!!!	MADem	Jun 2014	#203
I guess I missed the posts that said Hillary was to blame for what Bill did.	merrily	Jun 2014	#295
I guess you did. nt	MADem	Jun 2014	#304
Were you one of the "people" who	Skidmore	Jun 2014	#141
It's not a matter of "scorning the masses"	Armstead	Jun 2014	#153
We can always do better at any given time in history.	Skidmore	Jun 2014	#154
I agree with that	Armstead	Jun 2014	#169
I don't give Congress a pass. It's not either or.	merrily	Jun 2014	#298
And your point is?	merrily	Jun 2014	#297
Too many voters are like teenaged girls	SoCalDem	Jun 2014	#293
As Senator Bradley wrote in his book, Democrats are more prone to that	merrily	Jun 2014	#299
They voted for the outright lies that were told to sell the proposals.	JoeyT	Jun 2014	#21
The truth is, globalization is a more complicated picture than	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#42
The deindustrialization of the US ramped up unbelievably with NAFTA and MFN for China.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#166
This is hair on fire nonsense	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#168
My hair is on fire permanently for this issue.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#180
The last few years have actually seen a return of some manufacturing	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#182
Without NAFTA or MFN we would not be in the same situation	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#186
Technically your post is worthy of a hide.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#189
Then do it. Defend your wonderful NAFTA, CAFTA, MFN, TPP and whatever else you have in mind	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#190
I already decided not to try and silence you as indicated.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#193
In the town to the south of my Mom, getting a job is the most complicated	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#197
I get it. Its bad.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#199
Well, at least you agree that there is need for change.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#201
Millions never had the option to move because their house couldn't sell.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#252
All because of deregulation that his advisors, Summers and	merrily	Jun 2014	#313
I hear ya. Is Mom in SE Mich? nt.	navarth	Jun 2014	#200
No, west central. North of Muskegon.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#202
Yes I understand.	navarth	Jun 2014	#209
I think about that a lot.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#214
The work is never done.	navarth	Jun 2014	#215
Thanks for thinking of the other towns.	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#315
Brava!	merrily	Jun 2014	#302
Thanks you!	amandabeech	Jun 2014	#316
Hook, line, and sinker free trade religious babble.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#212
And your brilliant solution then?	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#213
Tariffs should be a tool in the box and I also am less than bought in on the idea that	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#234
Why can't we figure out how to make	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#235
Holy shit lose markets?	HangOnKids	Jun 2014	#241
Is that a type of attitude	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#242
Gee nice emoticon	HangOnKids	Jun 2014	#243
Yeah, what kind of feeling was that?	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#244
The feeling that you need to get lost	HangOnKids	Jun 2014	#245
Because the "we" negotiating them has no such intent. It is often "we" that insist on the worst part	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#272
If you can get a viable candidate to sell it	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#280
We are paying trillions for people whose day job is solutions.	merrily	Jun 2014	#306
Nail. Head. Thank you.	merrily	Jun 2014	#305
Clinton's campaign promises about gays lost Gore votes after DOMA	merrily	Jun 2014	#57
Nothing's perfect and government policies have pluses and minuses.	merrily	Jun 2014	#92
Kind of comes down to do you want to win an election or not. nt	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#122
I know some believe that. I don't. In fact, I	merrily	Jun 2014	#126
A centrist describes just about every Democratic Presidential candidate that ever won.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#127
Noooott reaaaaaly	Armstead	Jun 2014	#132
McCain tried to be at one point, though.	merrily	Jun 2014	#135
Youre mixing apples mangos and pomegranites	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#140
Not true. Then again, neither it is true that only centrists can win elections.	merrily	Jun 2014	#133
+1! Wonderful post!	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#253
+100000000	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#271
More total bullshit	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#276
Hillary: individual mandate. Obama: no individual mandate, public option.	merrily	Jun 2014	#279
Wrong, and wrong, and really I dont give a flying fuck	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#281
You moved the goalpost. Not surprised. We were talking why	merrily	Jun 2014	#283
I think the persona management software has found a way to spoof post count and join date.	Maedhros	Jun 2014	#311
I pm'd a poster who has been here a lot longer than I and asked if	merrily	Jun 2014	#317
Si.	JackRiddler	Jun 2014	#176
"People voted for it."	JackRiddler	Jun 2014	#175
Fake populism indeed.	democrank	Jun 2014	#5
That last paragraph needs to be on the Greatest Page.	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#6
Alas, that statement is too accurate	Armstead	Jun 2014	#7
I don't think we're being played, at least I know I'm not.	cheapdate	Jun 2014	#18
Any why is that? Its a chicken and egg thing.	Armstead	Jun 2014	#25
The right is more effectiive at communication.	cheapdate	Jun 2014	#34
Why do you think it is that the right seems more effective at	merrily	Jun 2014	#98
Because the right has a stronger media presence.	String Fiesta	Jun 2014	#150
Different issue. There is messaging and then there is disseminating the	merrily	Jun 2014	#157
Merrily, it's not really a different issue at all.	cheapdate	Jun 2014	#207
Actually, it is a different issue.	merrily	Jun 2014	#216
There's no need to get snippy.	cheapdate	Jun 2014	#334
Campaign promises don't mislead?	merrily	Jun 2014	#84
The Luntzy phrases and populist pablum will flow like wine.	raouldukelives	Jun 2014	#59
Thing is, what do we do about it.	merrily	Jun 2014	#62
One answer is atually get the discussion going about it	Armstead	Jun 2014	#76
I know a lot of posters think that, but I can't.	merrily	Jun 2014	#79
I'm not just talking about posting here or elsewhere..	Armstead	Jun 2014	#80
It's been a long time since the Great Society and an even longer	merrily	Jun 2014	#82
There are some things bubbling under the surface..i think..	KoKo	Jun 2014	#107
Thanks, Koko	merrily	Jun 2014	#125
Oh...I understand where you are coming from....	KoKo	Jun 2014	#163
Hippie probably was not the correct term.	merrily	Jun 2014	#167
Okay...I get where you're coming from...	KoKo	Jun 2014	#196
No, I think we agree activism is important. Question is,	merrily	Jun 2014	#198
Good Points.. NC is doing it with "Moral Mondays" with Marches, Sit In's and those going to jail...	KoKo	Jun 2014	#329
Too many of those lies to list are right on this thread.	merrily	Jun 2014	#139
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!	WillyT	Jun 2014	#9
Actually the thanks go to Iching Carpenter, who originally steered me to this in anotehr thread	Armstead	Jun 2014	#13
I vote for both of you then.	merrily	Jun 2014	#87
I vote for all 3 of ya.	navarth	Jun 2014	#211
Thank you. I vote for you as well. Now if we can only find another,	merrily	Jun 2014	#222
sounds good. nt	navarth	Jun 2014	#228
K&R !!!!	SamKnause	Jun 2014	#10
Clinton ran as "The Man from HOPE"...Arkansas	KoKo	Jun 2014	#12
Yes, Hope is a nice safe nebulous commodity....Change, on the other hand, is more difficult	Armstead	Jun 2014	#14
The promises of change were what gave us hope.	merrily	Jun 2014	#28
Obama flipped it, though.	JackRiddler	Jun 2014	#177
I found this article to be right on the mark:	Maedhros	Jun 2014	#319
Thanks!...that's a good read from Salon about "hope" and trusting....	KoKo	Jun 2014	#335
One of the few subjects DU and FR agree on: hatred of all things Clinton. n/t	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#15
Could you possibly make a more shallow post?	Armstead	Jun 2014	#16
Fine. "Strongly dislike". And it's a simple fact: both DU and FR "strongly dislike" the Clintons.	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#17
And your point is.....? Osama also dsliked Bill Clinon	Armstead	Jun 2014	#20
And that's where the similarity ends.	progressoid	Jun 2014	#23
Way to turn a stupid "argument" around!	beerandjesus	Jun 2014	#45
PM me, willya? I wanna see that.	merrily	Jun 2014	#89
You know, here you go, just wanting to help with that shallow argument of yours	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#26
Well, it's a simpleton fact.	merrily	Jun 2014	#27
Both many on DU and FR have knee-jerk reactions to anything Clinton.	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#35
Still a simpleton fact--and a "tween" approach to politics.	merrily	Jun 2014	#38
The "tween" approach to politics is the idea that if you don't agree with an ally 100%	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#43
No, that's bullshit. It's what I said. And, sorry, but I am tired of arguing bullshit with	merrily	Jun 2014	#47
how ironic. the BOG shock troops are constantly trolling looking for perceived "hatred"	noiretextatique	Jun 2014	#156
I don't think "liberals are as bad as freepers".	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#185
Today's "liberal" is often a Nixonian conservative on economic issues	Armstead	Jun 2014	#192
let the liars change and morph definitions	noiretextatique	Jun 2014	#332
+1	merrily	Jun 2014	#308
for entirely different reasons. but never mind logic, right?	cali	Jun 2014	#36
Yes, logic. Both groups are in a very small minority.	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#37
I believe that's an inch deep and a mile wide, but we shall see. You still can't employ	cali	Jun 2014	#61
sweeping generalizations like this just make me hate Clinton even more	corkhead	Jun 2014	#68
Not all criticisms of her are "hating" or invalid.	NYC Liberal	Jun 2014	#70
No....that is not correct.	KoKo	Jun 2014	#19
Thank you.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#259
unquestioning adoration is another trait shared between the two sites	frylock	Jun 2014	#31
Bingo.	merrily	Jun 2014	#48
Hatred isn't an item that is found, it has to be earned or at least learned	nolabels	Jun 2014	#53
How about plain ole political differences?	merrily	Jun 2014	#104
'No trust' is exactly what i meant	nolabels	Jun 2014	#269
All true. And there are no consequences.	merrily	Jun 2014	#275
And the other choices were McCain in the first, and vulture in the last	nolabels	Jun 2014	#331
We need to stop the bleeding of the lower classes by the uber wealthy. If the FR agrees then	rhett o rick	Jun 2014	#170
I was with you 100% until the last sentence. The Founders were plutocrats.	merrily	Jun 2014	#294
I think you are being too hard on them. I dont have the info at hand but a lot of them died	rhett o rick	Jun 2014	#324
How they died is irrelevant to whether they were plutocrats when	merrily	Jun 2014	#325
Oi. "Hatred of all things Clinton"?	JackRiddler	Jun 2014	#179
It could be hard to get past personalities if	merrily	Jun 2014	#208
And many of us have also referred to this era as the new guilded age	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#22
I'm reading Herman Hesse again	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#63
I know the feeling	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#65
The local is where it happens now not from Washington	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#69
And my paper, we graduated from blog to well paper	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#72
Yes, thank you. Please keep reminding us of that.	merrily	Jun 2014	#108
Yep. Can't unring the bell or unknow what you grasped.	merrily	Jun 2014	#309
A guilded age would be preferable to a gilded age.	merrily	Jun 2014	#137
That is likely coming	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#148
Ouch, that stings.	blackspade	Jun 2014	#24
Facts are so inconvenient. Not that the Hillary worshhippers care about facts.	cali	Jun 2014	#30
I sometimes mix your positions up with those of another cali on the board.	merrily	Jun 2014	#51
No, I've never been a Hillary supporter. At all.	cali	Jun 2014	#52
I think I have it straight now.	merrily	Jun 2014	#99
Just think "tweety bird" re the infamous other one, it is funny in a way and easy to remember /nt	Dragonfli	Jun 2014	#121
Neoliberalism (dumb name for it) didn't come close to hitting its stride until the DLC	merrily	Jun 2014	#32
The entire economic platform of the party changed with the forming of the DLC	Dragonfli	Jun 2014	#123
Calling a strategy to win elections was the way to sell it to Democratic voters.	merrily	Jun 2014	#144
Oh, I realize that, always have (both points)	Dragonfli	Jun 2014	#151
I hadn't noticed who I was replying to.	merrily	Jun 2014	#155
Keep repeating it. Maybe it will sink in.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#255
Clinton ran as a centrist	bigtree	Jun 2014	#39
Clintonian economics are the opposite of what we need right now.	nashville_brook	Jun 2014	#40
No Democrat is going to rerun a 1992 or 1996	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#46
No democrat hangs with the war criminal George Bush	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#54
"Because you will see them again visiting the White House...."	merrily	Jun 2014	#320
surely not, but there's no daylight btwn Hillary's and Bill's economic programs	nashville_brook	Jun 2014	#66
Read the book 'Partners in Power'	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#73
That sentence is so vague in meaning	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#74
you're a fan of Bill/Hillary's economics?	nashville_brook	Jun 2014	#77
I am a fan keeping Repukes out of power	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#83
LOL, when all else fails, sell: Vote Democrat! They're not Republican!	merrily	Jun 2014	#218
Revealed at last! A Nader/Libertarian/Fringe I'll try anything once loser.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#220
Yes, that's it, genius.	merrily	Jun 2014	#321
Kicked their ass repealing Glass - Stegall? Kicked their ass deregulation the media? Kicked their	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#226
1. Who was your choice as candidate in '92 and '96 and 2000, and hell	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#229
I thought you were explaining an asswhooping or more crucially, how it wasn't us that took it.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#237
I already explained in this thread my reasoning on the typical	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#240
I'm still missing what ass kicking there is. You have rationalized a lot of bad policy, fine.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2014	#273
You missed a lot apparently. But we are in the realm of opinions. Keep yours for all I care. nt	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#277
Neither will Ross Perot, though.	merrily	Jun 2014	#174
Which is why we need to find a viable populist candidate now or our only choices will be Hill or Jeb	corkhead	Jun 2014	#41
I doubt the DNC will support a populist.	merrily	Jun 2014	#318
A popular picture of Bill during the NCAA being a populist	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#49
Li'l Bush looks--off-model; the guy in the next row looks REALLY happy, though	MisterP	Jun 2014	#93
If you do a search on this night with them	Ichingcarpenter	Jun 2014	#95
Poppy's favorite son?	merrily	Jun 2014	#227
Economic populism wins elections and sells Democratic voters.	pa28	Jun 2014	#56
DURec...Could not agree more:	bvar22	Jun 2014	#67
this is anti-clinton argument that i tend to agree with.	La Lioness Priyanka	Jun 2014	#88
He's worth reading	Armstead	Jun 2014	#114
yes. years ago, i remember watching his interview on the daily show	La Lioness Priyanka	Jun 2014	#118
K&R. Every DUer should read this.	JDPriestly	Jun 2014	#96
Agree. Let's keep it kicked.	merrily	Jun 2014	#160
.	snagglepuss	Jun 2014	#112
"This time around there is no end in sight..."	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2014	#124
Retirement? What's That?	Armstead	Jun 2014	#130
Especially if they fuck with Social Security.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2014	#136
R U sure? They were talking chained CPI and denying it was a cut and	merrily	Jun 2014	#171
I'd say many are in for a rude awakening.	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2014	#181
Many citizens are, yes. Whether many politicians or political parties are	merrily	Jun 2014	#282
Just curious. Does everyone think all the posters on this thread are	merrily	Jun 2014	#173
Do you know of any paying jobs?	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#178
My, that caught your eye quickly, didn't it? No anwer, though.	merrily	Jun 2014	#187
It's impossible to prove.	navarth	Jun 2014	#217
Fairly easy to deny, though.	merrily	Jun 2014	#323
Oh yes.	navarth	Jun 2014	#337
Yes.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#257
K&R	DeSwiss	Jun 2014	#232
Getting a "malicious URL" "threat detected" whenever I open this thread.	mia	Jun 2014	#233
That's worrisome...But I can't understand why it would be in one thread and no the whole site	Armstead	Jun 2014	#236
It won't work this time. Not with me.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#246
I agree, same here.	Katashi_itto	Jun 2014	#256
Our "Democrats." Willing accomplises in the new Gilded Age.	blkmusclmachine	Jun 2014	#254
Kicked and recommended!	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#258
I think that's a little harsh	loyalsister	Jun 2014	#260
It's not so much those comments as the history of policies	Armstead	Jun 2014	#267
How did ending "welfare as we know it" help the poorest people?	merrily	Jun 2014	#326
I understand this from a different point-of-view	ewagner	Jun 2014	#261
Triangulation is different from compromise	Armstead	Jun 2014	#268
I like the distinction you are making.	ewagner	Jun 2014	#270
Disagree. The DLC took down a lot of stuff from its website last time I looked.	merrily	Jun 2014	#278
I am reading "The Meat Racket" by Christopher Leonard	Atman	Jun 2014	#262
And, now we have Smithfield which bought up most of the small US Pork	KoKo	Jun 2014	#336
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Jun 2014	#266
And both sides think it's only the other side...	polichick	Jun 2014	#296
kick	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#274
Sanders would be a populist candidate. Clinton not so much...	polichick	Jun 2014	#322
I don't think Hillary will.	merrily	Jun 2014	#328
If Sanders runs, he's running to win...	polichick	Jun 2014	#330
And yet still much better than BushI 2nd term or Bob Dole as president.	aikoaiko	Jun 2014	#333

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