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194. Top to bottom? Only if you don't count the bottom!

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:30 PM

Jun 2014

None of the tax increases under Reagan (and the one under Bush)had anything to do with 8 years of prosperity? The fact that we were not in any wars big enough to admit to? That 911 did not happen until he was out of office and there was no massive spending on Homeland Security, beefing up the CIA, NSA, FBI, the military, etc.? The fact that he ended "welfare as we know it?" (So much for top to bottom.) How about the dot.com boom? He didn't cause that, but it sure helped the economy--until the dot.com bust.

I guess Gramm, Leach, Blilely had nothing to do with economic collapse of several nations, including this one, during Bush's term, either, due to mortgage derivatives?

Presidents are in office 4 or 8 years (assuming nothing untoward). But many things influence their apparent success or failure, including what their predecessors did, what is going on in the world at the time, etc. And what they do while in office may not come to fruition until after they leave. No question about that, right? But, for Bubba, we look only at 8 years, full stop--and not even at the not so great parts of those 8 years.

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Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age [View all] Armstead Jun 2014 OP

Under the bus with ya, Thomas n/t IDemo Jun 2014 #1

DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #2

Clinton was always very specific about hsi proposals (a total wonk) BootinUp Jun 2014 #3

People voted for his populist persona and his rhetoric Armstead Jun 2014 #4

Its a nice attempt to re-write history BootinUp Jun 2014 #8

Not re-writing history. The problem is that we're not learning from history. Armstead Jun 2014 #11

Just Want To Add My Support For What Armstead Is ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #64

THAT is the catch 22 and there is this pesky thing called Congress Cosmocat Jun 2014 #263

Thank you. I so agree with you, and you explain the facts so well. Thank you. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #102

I agree 100% Enthusiast Jun 2014 #247

Could be. But I think a lot of voters old enough to remember the Clinton presidency and CTyankee Jun 2014 #265

Dimson is already making some of the worst US Presidents ever lists, at merrily Jun 2014 #285

Well, I think we do it every day here at DU... CTyankee Jun 2014 #287

Posting at DU pulls politicians to the left? merrily Jun 2014 #289

No, I'm talking about collective action...hey, we're on the same side here, aren't we? CTyankee Jun 2014 #300

Yes, acting in our own communities and maybe beyond. merrily Jun 2014 #301

Oh, we all love to vent...I know I do...but it's what we do in our own communities that really CTyankee Jun 2014 #303

Your post re-wrote history a lot more than Armstead's. merrily Jun 2014 #33

Please point out the errors in my post, until then BootinUp Jun 2014 #50

Armstead's post was closer to reality than yours. That's not hard to understand, is it? merrily Jun 2014 #55

Of course reality says he is the most popular President in the last BootinUp Jun 2014 #58

That was not the reality under discussion between you merrily Jun 2014 #60

It simply goes to the fact that a complete evisceration of William J. Clinton's record BootinUp Jun 2014 #78

Someone already posted a Clinton list, but the problem with those lists is that merrily Jun 2014 #81

P.S. I didn't completely eviscerate anyone's record and this is so merrily Jun 2014 #86

Well done pscot Jun 2014 #204

Thank you! merrily Jun 2014 #205

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #249

De nada. merrily Jun 2014 #284

No it doesn't... sendero Jun 2014 #206

The misjudgments continue. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #248

I don't think it's misjudgment. merrily Jun 2014 #286

Clinton had charm. He loves people. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #105

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #162

Sorry, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall, signing the bill that allowed for the consolidation JDPriestly Jun 2014 #100

This is being discussed just below. BootinUp Jun 2014 #106

If Bill had really learned, or wanted to learn, he'd be using his influence to reverse the results Armstead Jun 2014 #111

I think he and Hillary have been doing their part BootinUp Jun 2014 #115

He campaigned for Obama out of political convenience. bunnies Jun 2014 #327

Try telling that to the millions of hopeful Americans who lost their homes in 2008. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #113

#97 & #103 BootinUp Jun 2014 #116

If you want to know why we prefer Elizabeth Warren to Hillary, watch the video at Post No. 23 JDPriestly Jun 2014 #117

Can she win? BootinUp Jun 2014 #120

She is one of the very few who can be trusted to side with the ordinary American citizen. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #146

I think you are a dreamer. But thats just my opinion. lol. BootinUp Jun 2014 #147

You supported Warren for her political appointment? Interesting. merrily Jun 2014 #172

I did op research on Bill Clinton's business and economic policies in Arkansas. amandabeech Jun 2014 #165

Thing is, most voters are not lawyers who do op research on a merrily Jun 2014 #224

You can thank President Clinton... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #223

You'd be better off decrying the great increase BootinUp Jun 2014 #225

"Wider range of opinion..." elzenmahn Jun 2014 #238

On network programming there is no choice. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #250

IKR ctsnowman Jun 2014 #264

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #230

"You can thank President Clinton... merrily Jun 2014 #288

Precisely. People voted for him because he would "feel their pain." He was an empathetic figure on Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #29

Most people do laundry_queen Jun 2014 #239

Yep. That's why, "Would you want to have a beer with him?" somehow merrily Jun 2014 #290

I was there. I don't drink beer. bigtree Jun 2014 #44

In the long run many (not all) of those things were part of the poisonous trail... Armstead Jun 2014 #71

Excellent post. nt woo me with science Jun 2014 #85

THIS is a crock 'o shit. "What happened under GW was merely the inevitable..." BootinUp Jun 2014 #90

They both helped it along Armstead Jun 2014 #94

Clinton did not champion financial deregulation. Thats another crock. BootinUp Jun 2014 #97

Of course he woudn't run on it and.... Armstead Jun 2014 #101

Yes, he is smart. And if you read all he said in that interview BootinUp Jun 2014 #103

If there's a problem, common sense would tell you not to make it worse Armstead Jun 2014 #110

Have you seen the knowing grin on Clinton's face when he signed the repeal of Glass- JDPriestly Jun 2014 #129

There's going to be a lot of us little folk supporting Hillary. BootinUp Jun 2014 #131

All "us" little folk who claim to have recommended Warren for her post? merrily Jun 2014 #231

He may have admitted it was a mistake, but he sure didn't Truman up. merrily Jun 2014 #210

It wasn't Clinton's fault. But iit was partly Clinton's fault. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #219

It was a lot Clinton's fault. Bush was to blame, yes, but merrily Jun 2014 #221

Is it a surprise that Clinton blamed it on Bush? merrily Jun 2014 #152

Dems voted 155 for and 51 against. BootinUp Jun 2014 #158

Senate 98-0 on the final bill. merrily Jun 2014 #159

No, he didn't BootinUp Jun 2014 #161

Yes, he did. He told Dems he wanted on his desk ASAP. merrily Jun 2014 #183

Governing is a tough job BootinUp Jun 2014 #184

Oh, please tell me you didn't waste everyone's time with all those posts merrily Jun 2014 #188

She might be even worse than Bill. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #251

Well, she's already clinging to her religion and her guns, apparently. merrily Jun 2014 #292

And who did Obama hire in his first term? Summers and Sperling. merrily Jun 2014 #291

I want a president who is not afraid if exercising the veto. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #134

No one can say what happens after a veto until it happens. merrily Jun 2014 #191

Barack Obama: 2 vetoes. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #307

He's not a king! merrily Jun 2014 #310

All I hear is that Obama has to deal with such a hostile Congress. Maedhros Jun 2014 #312

How hostile was it 2009-2011? merrily Jun 2014 #314

REPEAL OF GLASS STEAGALL--MORTGAGE DERIVATIVES--ECONOMIC COLLAPSE merrily Jun 2014 #142

#97 & #103 BootinUp Jun 2014 #143

Wrong again. Clinton URGED repeal of Glass Steagall. merrily Jun 2014 #145

Look. He explains it. You can NOT believe him if you wish. BootinUp Jun 2014 #149

Clinton has not been faithful to the truth when it requires him to admit merrily Jun 2014 #164

what about 8 years of top to bottom prosperity don't you understand? bigtree Jun 2014 #119

It was when the money started flowing from the bottom to the top Armstead Jun 2014 #128

Clinton did what he could during his presidency bigtree Jun 2014 #138

Top to bottom? Only if you don't count the bottom! merrily Jun 2014 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Jun 2014 #195

There are things I didn't like about Clinton Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #75

Yeah, most of us were there and sober, too. Please see reply 81. merrily Jun 2014 #91

The problem with the Clinton presidency, as I said above is that it was like eating fast food JDPriestly Jun 2014 #109

Shhhh.....you'll upset the torch and pitchfork brigade!!! MADem Jun 2014 #203

I guess I missed the posts that said Hillary was to blame for what Bill did. merrily Jun 2014 #295

I guess you did. nt MADem Jun 2014 #304

Were you one of the "people" who Skidmore Jun 2014 #141

It's not a matter of "scorning the masses" Armstead Jun 2014 #153

We can always do better at any given time in history. Skidmore Jun 2014 #154

I agree with that Armstead Jun 2014 #169

I don't give Congress a pass. It's not either or. merrily Jun 2014 #298

And your point is? merrily Jun 2014 #297

Too many voters are like teenaged girls SoCalDem Jun 2014 #293

As Senator Bradley wrote in his book, Democrats are more prone to that merrily Jun 2014 #299

They voted for the outright lies that were told to sell the proposals. JoeyT Jun 2014 #21

The truth is, globalization is a more complicated picture than BootinUp Jun 2014 #42

The deindustrialization of the US ramped up unbelievably with NAFTA and MFN for China. amandabeech Jun 2014 #166

This is hair on fire nonsense BootinUp Jun 2014 #168

My hair is on fire permanently for this issue. amandabeech Jun 2014 #180

The last few years have actually seen a return of some manufacturing BootinUp Jun 2014 #182

Without NAFTA or MFN we would not be in the same situation amandabeech Jun 2014 #186

Technically your post is worthy of a hide. BootinUp Jun 2014 #189

Then do it. Defend your wonderful NAFTA, CAFTA, MFN, TPP and whatever else you have in mind amandabeech Jun 2014 #190

I already decided not to try and silence you as indicated. BootinUp Jun 2014 #193

In the town to the south of my Mom, getting a job is the most complicated amandabeech Jun 2014 #197

I get it. Its bad. BootinUp Jun 2014 #199

Well, at least you agree that there is need for change. amandabeech Jun 2014 #201

Millions never had the option to move because their house couldn't sell. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #252

All because of deregulation that his advisors, Summers and merrily Jun 2014 #313

I hear ya. Is Mom in SE Mich? nt. navarth Jun 2014 #200

No, west central. North of Muskegon. amandabeech Jun 2014 #202

Yes I understand. navarth Jun 2014 #209

I think about that a lot. amandabeech Jun 2014 #214

The work is never done. navarth Jun 2014 #215

Thanks for thinking of the other towns. amandabeech Jun 2014 #315

Brava! merrily Jun 2014 #302

Thanks you! amandabeech Jun 2014 #316

Hook, line, and sinker free trade religious babble. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #212

And your brilliant solution then? BootinUp Jun 2014 #213

Tariffs should be a tool in the box and I also am less than bought in on the idea that TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #234

Why can't we figure out how to make BootinUp Jun 2014 #235

Holy shit lose markets? HangOnKids Jun 2014 #241

Is that a type of attitude BootinUp Jun 2014 #242

Gee nice emoticon HangOnKids Jun 2014 #243

Yeah, what kind of feeling was that? BootinUp Jun 2014 #244

The feeling that you need to get lost HangOnKids Jun 2014 #245

Because the "we" negotiating them has no such intent. It is often "we" that insist on the worst part TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #272

If you can get a viable candidate to sell it BootinUp Jun 2014 #280

We are paying trillions for people whose day job is solutions. merrily Jun 2014 #306

Nail. Head. Thank you. merrily Jun 2014 #305

Clinton's campaign promises about gays lost Gore votes after DOMA merrily Jun 2014 #57

Nothing's perfect and government policies have pluses and minuses. merrily Jun 2014 #92

Kind of comes down to do you want to win an election or not. nt BootinUp Jun 2014 #122

I know some believe that. I don't. In fact, I merrily Jun 2014 #126

A centrist describes just about every Democratic Presidential candidate that ever won. BootinUp Jun 2014 #127

Noooott reaaaaaly Armstead Jun 2014 #132

McCain tried to be at one point, though. merrily Jun 2014 #135

Youre mixing apples mangos and pomegranites BootinUp Jun 2014 #140

Not true. Then again, neither it is true that only centrists can win elections. merrily Jun 2014 #133

+1! Wonderful post! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #253

+100000000 woo me with science Jun 2014 #271

More total bullshit BootinUp Jun 2014 #276

Hillary: individual mandate. Obama: no individual mandate, public option. merrily Jun 2014 #279

Wrong, and wrong, and really I dont give a flying fuck BootinUp Jun 2014 #281

You moved the goalpost. Not surprised. We were talking why merrily Jun 2014 #283

I think the persona management software has found a way to spoof post count and join date. Maedhros Jun 2014 #311

I pm'd a poster who has been here a lot longer than I and asked if merrily Jun 2014 #317

Si. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #176

"People voted for it." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #175

Fake populism indeed. democrank Jun 2014 #5

That last paragraph needs to be on the Greatest Page. woo me with science Jun 2014 #6

Alas, that statement is too accurate Armstead Jun 2014 #7

I don't think we're being played, at least I know I'm not. cheapdate Jun 2014 #18

Any why is that? Its a chicken and egg thing. Armstead Jun 2014 #25

The right is more effectiive at communication. cheapdate Jun 2014 #34

Why do you think it is that the right seems more effective at merrily Jun 2014 #98

Because the right has a stronger media presence. String Fiesta Jun 2014 #150

Different issue. There is messaging and then there is disseminating the merrily Jun 2014 #157

Merrily, it's not really a different issue at all. cheapdate Jun 2014 #207

Actually, it is a different issue. merrily Jun 2014 #216

There's no need to get snippy. cheapdate Jun 2014 #334

Campaign promises don't mislead? merrily Jun 2014 #84

The Luntzy phrases and populist pablum will flow like wine. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #59

Thing is, what do we do about it. merrily Jun 2014 #62

One answer is atually get the discussion going about it Armstead Jun 2014 #76

I know a lot of posters think that, but I can't. merrily Jun 2014 #79

I'm not just talking about posting here or elsewhere.. Armstead Jun 2014 #80

It's been a long time since the Great Society and an even longer merrily Jun 2014 #82

There are some things bubbling under the surface..i think.. KoKo Jun 2014 #107

Thanks, Koko merrily Jun 2014 #125

Oh...I understand where you are coming from.... KoKo Jun 2014 #163

Hippie probably was not the correct term. merrily Jun 2014 #167

Okay...I get where you're coming from... KoKo Jun 2014 #196

No, I think we agree activism is important. Question is, merrily Jun 2014 #198

Good Points.. NC is doing it with "Moral Mondays" with Marches, Sit In's and those going to jail... KoKo Jun 2014 #329

Too many of those lies to list are right on this thread. merrily Jun 2014 #139

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #9

Actually the thanks go to Iching Carpenter, who originally steered me to this in anotehr thread Armstead Jun 2014 #13

I vote for both of you then. merrily Jun 2014 #87

I vote for all 3 of ya. navarth Jun 2014 #211

Thank you. I vote for you as well. Now if we can only find another, merrily Jun 2014 #222

sounds good. nt navarth Jun 2014 #228

K&R !!!! SamKnause Jun 2014 #10

Clinton ran as "The Man from HOPE"...Arkansas KoKo Jun 2014 #12

Yes, Hope is a nice safe nebulous commodity....Change, on the other hand, is more difficult Armstead Jun 2014 #14

The promises of change were what gave us hope. merrily Jun 2014 #28

Obama flipped it, though. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #177

I found this article to be right on the mark: Maedhros Jun 2014 #319

Thanks!...that's a good read from Salon about "hope" and trusting.... KoKo Jun 2014 #335

One of the few subjects DU and FR agree on: hatred of all things Clinton. n/t NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #15

Could you possibly make a more shallow post? Armstead Jun 2014 #16

Fine. "Strongly dislike". And it's a simple fact: both DU and FR "strongly dislike" the Clintons. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #17

And your point is.....? Osama also dsliked Bill Clinon Armstead Jun 2014 #20

And that's where the similarity ends. progressoid Jun 2014 #23

Way to turn a stupid "argument" around! beerandjesus Jun 2014 #45

PM me, willya? I wanna see that. merrily Jun 2014 #89

You know, here you go, just wanting to help with that shallow argument of yours nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #26

Well, it's a simpleton fact. merrily Jun 2014 #27

Both many on DU and FR have knee-jerk reactions to anything Clinton. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #35

Still a simpleton fact--and a "tween" approach to politics. merrily Jun 2014 #38

The "tween" approach to politics is the idea that if you don't agree with an ally 100% NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #43

No, that's bullshit. It's what I said. And, sorry, but I am tired of arguing bullshit with merrily Jun 2014 #47

how ironic. the BOG shock troops are constantly trolling looking for perceived "hatred" noiretextatique Jun 2014 #156

I don't think "liberals are as bad as freepers". NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #185

Today's "liberal" is often a Nixonian conservative on economic issues Armstead Jun 2014 #192

let the liars change and morph definitions noiretextatique Jun 2014 #332

+1 merrily Jun 2014 #308

for entirely different reasons. but never mind logic, right? cali Jun 2014 #36

Yes, logic. Both groups are in a very small minority. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #37

I believe that's an inch deep and a mile wide, but we shall see. You still can't employ cali Jun 2014 #61

sweeping generalizations like this just make me hate Clinton even more corkhead Jun 2014 #68

Not all criticisms of her are "hating" or invalid. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #70

No....that is not correct. KoKo Jun 2014 #19

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #259

unquestioning adoration is another trait shared between the two sites frylock Jun 2014 #31

Bingo. merrily Jun 2014 #48

Hatred isn't an item that is found, it has to be earned or at least learned nolabels Jun 2014 #53

How about plain ole political differences? merrily Jun 2014 #104

'No trust' is exactly what i meant nolabels Jun 2014 #269

All true. And there are no consequences. merrily Jun 2014 #275

And the other choices were McCain in the first, and vulture in the last nolabels Jun 2014 #331

We need to stop the bleeding of the lower classes by the uber wealthy. If the FR agrees then rhett o rick Jun 2014 #170

I was with you 100% until the last sentence. The Founders were plutocrats. merrily Jun 2014 #294

I think you are being too hard on them. I dont have the info at hand but a lot of them died rhett o rick Jun 2014 #324

How they died is irrelevant to whether they were plutocrats when merrily Jun 2014 #325

Oi. "Hatred of all things Clinton"? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #179

It could be hard to get past personalities if merrily Jun 2014 #208

And many of us have also referred to this era as the new guilded age nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #22

I'm reading Herman Hesse again Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #63

I know the feeling nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

The local is where it happens now not from Washington Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #69

And my paper, we graduated from blog to well paper nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #72

Yes, thank you. Please keep reminding us of that. merrily Jun 2014 #108

Yep. Can't unring the bell or unknow what you grasped. merrily Jun 2014 #309

A guilded age would be preferable to a gilded age. merrily Jun 2014 #137

That is likely coming nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #148

Ouch, that stings. blackspade Jun 2014 #24

Facts are so inconvenient. Not that the Hillary worshhippers care about facts. cali Jun 2014 #30

I sometimes mix your positions up with those of another cali on the board. merrily Jun 2014 #51

No, I've never been a Hillary supporter. At all. cali Jun 2014 #52

I think I have it straight now. merrily Jun 2014 #99

Just think "tweety bird" re the infamous other one, it is funny in a way and easy to remember /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #121

Neoliberalism (dumb name for it) didn't come close to hitting its stride until the DLC merrily Jun 2014 #32

The entire economic platform of the party changed with the forming of the DLC Dragonfli Jun 2014 #123

Calling a strategy to win elections was the way to sell it to Democratic voters. merrily Jun 2014 #144

Oh, I realize that, always have (both points) Dragonfli Jun 2014 #151

I hadn't noticed who I was replying to. merrily Jun 2014 #155

Keep repeating it. Maybe it will sink in. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #255

Clinton ran as a centrist bigtree Jun 2014 #39

Clintonian economics are the opposite of what we need right now. nashville_brook Jun 2014 #40

No Democrat is going to rerun a 1992 or 1996 BootinUp Jun 2014 #46

No democrat hangs with the war criminal George Bush Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #54

"Because you will see them again visiting the White House...." merrily Jun 2014 #320

surely not, but there's no daylight btwn Hillary's and Bill's economic programs nashville_brook Jun 2014 #66

Read the book 'Partners in Power' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #73

That sentence is so vague in meaning BootinUp Jun 2014 #74

you're a fan of Bill/Hillary's economics? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #77

I am a fan keeping Repukes out of power BootinUp Jun 2014 #83

LOL, when all else fails, sell: Vote Democrat! They're not Republican! merrily Jun 2014 #218

Revealed at last! A Nader/Libertarian/Fringe I'll try anything once loser. BootinUp Jun 2014 #220

Yes, that's it, genius. merrily Jun 2014 #321

Kicked their ass repealing Glass - Stegall? Kicked their ass deregulation the media? Kicked their TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #226

1. Who was your choice as candidate in '92 and '96 and 2000, and hell BootinUp Jun 2014 #229

I thought you were explaining an asswhooping or more crucially, how it wasn't us that took it. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #237

I already explained in this thread my reasoning on the typical BootinUp Jun 2014 #240

I'm still missing what ass kicking there is. You have rationalized a lot of bad policy, fine. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #273

You missed a lot apparently. But we are in the realm of opinions. Keep yours for all I care. nt BootinUp Jun 2014 #277

Neither will Ross Perot, though. merrily Jun 2014 #174

Which is why we need to find a viable populist candidate now or our only choices will be Hill or Jeb corkhead Jun 2014 #41

I doubt the DNC will support a populist. merrily Jun 2014 #318

A popular picture of Bill during the NCAA being a populist Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #49

Li'l Bush looks--off-model; the guy in the next row looks REALLY happy, though MisterP Jun 2014 #93

If you do a search on this night with them Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #95

Poppy's favorite son? merrily Jun 2014 #227

Economic populism wins elections and sells Democratic voters. pa28 Jun 2014 #56

DURec...Could not agree more: bvar22 Jun 2014 #67

this is anti-clinton argument that i tend to agree with. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #88

He's worth reading Armstead Jun 2014 #114

yes. years ago, i remember watching his interview on the daily show La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #118

K&R. Every DUer should read this. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #96

Agree. Let's keep it kicked. merrily Jun 2014 #160

. snagglepuss Jun 2014 #112

"This time around there is no end in sight..." WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #124

Retirement? What's That? Armstead Jun 2014 #130

Especially if they fuck with Social Security. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #136

R U sure? They were talking chained CPI and denying it was a cut and merrily Jun 2014 #171

I'd say many are in for a rude awakening. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2014 #181

Many citizens are, yes. Whether many politicians or political parties are merrily Jun 2014 #282

Just curious. Does everyone think all the posters on this thread are merrily Jun 2014 #173

Do you know of any paying jobs? BootinUp Jun 2014 #178

My, that caught your eye quickly, didn't it? No anwer, though. merrily Jun 2014 #187

It's impossible to prove. navarth Jun 2014 #217

Fairly easy to deny, though. merrily Jun 2014 #323

Oh yes. navarth Jun 2014 #337

Yes. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #257

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #232

Getting a "malicious URL" "threat detected" whenever I open this thread. mia Jun 2014 #233

That's worrisome...But I can't understand why it would be in one thread and no the whole site Armstead Jun 2014 #236

It won't work this time. Not with me. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #246

I agree, same here. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #256

Our "Democrats." Willing accomplises in the new Gilded Age. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #254

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #258

I think that's a little harsh loyalsister Jun 2014 #260

It's not so much those comments as the history of policies Armstead Jun 2014 #267

How did ending "welfare as we know it" help the poorest people? merrily Jun 2014 #326

I understand this from a different point-of-view ewagner Jun 2014 #261

Triangulation is different from compromise Armstead Jun 2014 #268

I like the distinction you are making. ewagner Jun 2014 #270

Disagree. The DLC took down a lot of stuff from its website last time I looked. merrily Jun 2014 #278

I am reading "The Meat Racket" by Christopher Leonard Atman Jun 2014 #262

And, now we have Smithfield which bought up most of the small US Pork KoKo Jun 2014 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2014 #266

And both sides think it's only the other side... polichick Jun 2014 #296

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #274

Sanders would be a populist candidate. Clinton not so much... polichick Jun 2014 #322

I don't think Hillary will. merrily Jun 2014 #328

If Sanders runs, he's running to win... polichick Jun 2014 #330

And yet still much better than BushI 2nd term or Bob Dole as president. aikoaiko Jun 2014 #333