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In reply to the discussion: Regional speech patterns or just laziness? [View all]flamingdem
(40,802 posts)82. The "th" sound and the lazy theory
dat's classy it's not wachoo tink.
http://dialectblog.com/2011/04/12/th-in-city-accent/
In the accents of New York City, Chicago, and Philadelphia, among many other American cities, this becomes a dentalized d or t sound. Hence the famous (albeit inaccurate) caricature of New Yorkers pronouncing 33rd Street as toydy toyd shtreet.
In London, voiced th often becomes d at the beginning of a word: this becomes dis. Meanwhile voiceless th becomes f; mouth therefore is pronounced mouf.
In Dublin, th simply becomes plain old t and d: ting, dis, etc.*
Obviously, not all cities have this funny business with th. But there are enough instances of this happening that I see a slight correlation between urban areas and accents with non-standard th pronunciations.
What accounts for this? The most obvious explanation is that all of these cities have been subject to quite a bit of immigration. Since standard English th (θ or ð) exists in few languages, many people who speak English as a second language use alternate pronunciations. And this may have filtered down into the speech of native English speakers.
An even simpler explanation may be at play, though: th is frankly a cumbersome sound. Ive been speaking English for my entire life, and I still occasionally stumble over this consonant. There is a reason young children have no problem pronouncing m in mama, but tend to say mouf when they mean mouth. Linguists will send me hate mail for saying this, but I find something inherently unnatural and awkward about English th.
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dawg
Jun 2014
#24
You can thank Southern California and Valley Girls for that, it happened due to
flamingdem
Jun 2014
#79
Does it really matter? In certain parts of the country you wouldn't be understood either. nt
kelliekat44
Jun 2014
#3
Perhaps those erstwhile misunderstandings are washed away by your overwhelming humility
Orrex
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#34
Just heard Joe Biden say something very close to "Vice Presen'ited States of America"
Chiyo-chichi
Jun 2014
#90
Elision and reduction of consonant clusters is a normal feature of language
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2014
#30
Clarification:"He was sat" is a substitution of either the simple past tense or the past participle
tblue37
Jun 2014
#76
language changes and when it does every generation fights for the purity of the language that they
La Lioness Priyanka
Jun 2014
#60
We're re-watching The Story of English by Robert MacNeil and it retains its fascination
Hekate
Jun 2014
#63
We're ALL writers, here. This is a political message board, not your own blog. nt
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Jun 2014
#93