Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age

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240. I already explained in this thread my reasoning on the typical

DU complaints about Clinton which you have again raised. Over and Over the same fuckin shit. Its 2014 last I checked. Bill is not even running. Get over it already. The rest of the country thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. We should be using that to our advantage. Like Obama did. Not trashing his 22 year old record that at the time was the best way to take back the WH.

SO if I am going to get into further discussions on this subject, I really don't want to waste time doing it if the other party is obviously close minded or just repeating something they read and they aren't really interested in discussing it.

As I have said, Clinton laid out his strategy very clearly from the beginning. There was no fake populism. Fuck the author of the article in the OP. I mean I like it when he goes after repukes fine, but he is doing Dems a disservice here.

1992...Democrats were tired of losing badly and Clintons plan looked like the best chance to stop the fucking bleeding. Yes it was about taking some ideas from the other side and doing them better, while still pushing for normal Democratic priorities. I think he did try to do too much (made too many deals) in his second term, but there is no doubt his approach was popular with the majority of voters.

I think liberal/activist Dems, should definitely cut him more slack though. Why? It could have been a hell of a lot worse. Clinton's economic record is a bright spot that Democrats will be pointing to for years to come. It came at a time and in a way that makes it clearer than ever which party is fiscally responsible and the best manager of the economy.

Welfare Reform was decided in the election. Details had to be worked out. If a Dem did not propose some kind of reform see continued blood letting of Democratic Party. The people wanted reform of that program, we had already lost that part of the fight.

Above in I think post 103 you can listen to Clinton explain Glass Steagall himself. As far as NAFTA, there is more bullshit thrown around then facts. Read the 20 year Congressional report (easy to find with google). On all the trade shit, I have already indicated this thread my general opinion. If our economy is not creating jobs than people are going to be hurtin trade agreements or not.

As far as DOMA, I am a straight male, it was not an issue I was tuned into. But recently I heard it discussed by a liberal panel, and it was brought up that no one was talking about gay marriage at that time as anything that would happen in the next 10 or even 20 years. I don't know, like I said, not something I paid lot of attention to. So is it a case where people are just finding some shit to complain about?

I don't take these criticisms of him meeting with GHWB on a few occasions very seriously. IS that really a problem for you?