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olegramps

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178. With the comments on this board, herding Democrates is like herding cats.

Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:32 AM

Jun 2014

We seem to be our own worst enemy. I would surely return to the days of the Clinton administration rather than the Bush disaster and the GOP obstructionism that now has strangled our government. I can't imagine why any Democrat would contemplate not voting for a Democratic candidate. I really fear that the Republicans will get control of the senate due to our apathy. If that happens, the next two years will be absolute hell. I am reading her book and see how it demonstrates just how complicated today's world is and why in my humble estimation that it requires someone with extensive experience to be able to the control the situation. I hope Sanders stumps because it will force anyone who challenges him to address a number of critical issues that are of utmost importance although the doesn't seem to have much of a chance of obtaining the nomination or winning the election.

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Not waiting for Hillary: Sen. Bernie Sanders heads to New Hampshire [View all] cali Jun 2014 OP

Yowza!! K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #1

Good for him. I hope his trip is successful. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #2

Yes, the more candidate voices to counter those of corpratist, warmongering types the better. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #17

I agree there needs to be a primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #54

I just don't trust Hillary. ?See her as corporatist bjobotts Jun 2014 #168

I definitely see the difference; plain as the nose on your face. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #173

It's About Issues billhicks76 Jun 2014 #41

No matter who we nominate we will have a difficult time winning a third presidential term. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #57

Not if we tell the American people, "The GOP is the party of war." We wouldn't be lying. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #82

From your lips to God's ear! hrmjustin Jun 2014 #88

And then Bickle Jun 2014 #149

The War Against Education/FairPay/GunSense/Peace/etc. n/t Beartracks Jun 2014 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Beartracks Jun 2014 #154

It's 2014, two years from now and everyone is claiming that Hillary is the de facto Aerows Jun 2014 #86

There will be a competitive primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #92

All this premature Aerows Jun 2014 #94

Good point. I hope we can all support the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #101

Absolutely! n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #109

So what do you suggest? I want to go down fighting not hanging desperately to the Status Quo. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #140

A good healthy primary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #141

Yes I am certainly for that. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #142

Hopefully he can pull the national discussion Phlem Jun 2014 #3

that is his intent. he knows he can't win, but he also knows he can influence the debate cali Jun 2014 #7

I think he can win and hope he does. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2014 #42

Never say never Demeter Jun 2014 #61

He might be pleasantly surprised. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #63

I want this more than anything (save for Ms. Warren getting in!) Plucketeer Jun 2014 #79

Love him, but the populist movement is behind Warren. Dawgs Jun 2014 #4

If Liz won't run, I'll support Bernie. I'm savoriong this for Bernie! Maybe Liz will clarify now? TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #46

She's said a hundred times that she's not running. Bette Noir Jun 2014 #96

The day someone other than Elizabeth Warren is elected President Aerows Jun 2014 #121

Yes. But Warren needs to run. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #64

agree Dawgs Jun 2014 #70

Yay!!! Run Bernie Run! nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #5

In order for this to matter to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #6

right. and if he runs, he will become a dem. Bernie is a very pragmatic guy. cali Jun 2014 #9

I'd want him to declare first. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #11

That is right lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #15

He will. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #10

WooHoo!!! The game is on - Buh-Bye Hill (again, lol) CONTRIBUTE: grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #8

Yes. I argue against Hillary as a candidate, and I would not vote for her for president, JDPriestly Jun 2014 #66

Then you are not really a Democrat if you don't support whoever wins the primary... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #111

No. I am a Democrat. I've spent too many hours working the campaigns of Democrats JDPriestly Jun 2014 #118

Then you should trust your fellow Democrats.....and support THEIR decision.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #120

I live in California too and I hope even if you abstain zappaman Jun 2014 #132

Stop with the Democratic Party Purity Bulls@#$!! Strat54 Jun 2014 #137

Hyperbolic much? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #139

nope, that's purity crap... its borderline masochist looking at the alternative... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #179

^You are right. NOT a hard choice in the general. Strat54 Jun 2014 #198

Who do you think you are telling him what he is or isnt. I disagree with you. I will always rhett o rick Jun 2014 #143

OMG VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #145

These are your words, "Then you are not really a Democrat " That's audacity telling someone in DU rhett o rick Jun 2014 #146

No...voting for whom your fellow Democrats select....is being "Democratic" otherwise... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #147

Beating Republicans isnt important as maintaining Democratic principles. Dont give up your rhett o rick Jun 2014 #167

That poster spends most of his/her time telling others they are not Democrats or they shouldn't post Dragonfli Jun 2014 #158

Yeah, I'm sure it won't be long before we get the "friendly" "TOS reminder".... beerandjesus Jun 2014 #176

"Who do you think you are telling him what he is or isnt." zappaman Jun 2014 #164

You are once again so wrong. Authoritarians are those that worship their authoritarian rhett o rick Jun 2014 #166

Pot zappaman Jun 2014 #169

Once again your response reveals so much. Using Sid's ridicule emoticons is soo childish, but he rhett o rick Jun 2014 #170

Kettle. zappaman Jun 2014 #171

i agree haydukelives Jun 2014 #76

At his age it is now or never for him. former9thward Jun 2014 #12

I welcome them ALL to the race. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #18

I would like to vote for someone not on Social Security. former9thward Jun 2014 #20

I'd like to vote for someone who won't offer to cut it, regardless of their age. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2014 #40

What Skeeter Said!!!! Bette R. Daize Jun 2014 #44

Ditto TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #55

Ahhh, someone that can think for themselves, good. A Simple Game Jun 2014 #48

You win! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #83

That's because she thinks she's the middle class Dragonfli Jun 2014 #159

Elizabeth Warren isn't middle class either. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #190

But she doesn't think she is, or that raising the cap would hurt all those SIX and SEVIN FIGURE Dragonfli Jun 2014 #193

+1 leftstreet Jun 2014 #87

^^^AMEN!!!! Strat54 Jun 2014 #138

Can you name a good Democrat who isn't older? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #68

Martin O'Malley former9thward Jun 2014 #71

Neither can the majority of the electorate. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #72

Yes, O'Malley and Grayson. Cal33 Jun 2014 #97

Jeff Merkeley, junior Senator from Oregon. Bette Noir Jun 2014 #99

yes, merkley works hard for the people hopemountain Jun 2014 #161

Either Castro brother... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #102

Good. We really need a much wider audience for voices like his. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #13

Bernie, THANK YOU. woo me with science Jun 2014 #14

Humongous K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #16

Go Bernie! democrank Jun 2014 #19

Going to have a good laugh when Bernie puts his support behind the Democratic Primary winner... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #21

oh c'mon. do you really "love.... Bernie"? cali Jun 2014 #26

Sure I do....and he is not going to run as a Dem....nor would he win the Primary even if he did...k VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #28

OK. I think I know just a tad more than YOU, 'nilla. He's my Senator. I know him cali Jun 2014 #34

BOOM I didn't say I knew ANYTHING about Bernie...other than he is NOT a Demcrat VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #98

Well people should stop "dreaming" and get out and vote for Bernie! TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #58

Pretty much. bigwillq Jun 2014 #59

So if you lived in Vermont you wouldn't vote for him? What scares you the word Socialist? A Simple Game Jun 2014 #60

What is to laugh about? djean111 Jun 2014 #69

Looking at how many Hillary for Prez threads are on truedelphi Jun 2014 #80

Yep. djean111 Jun 2014 #81

whoa, I can hear the loosening of the bowels in the Clinton camp Whisp Jun 2014 #22

And he doesn't speak in slogans and platitudes like most politicians arcane1 Jun 2014 #52

Yes, if Bernie were to win even 20, 30% in a Democratic primary Bette Noir Jun 2014 #103

She would have to pull hard in that direction to get the nom. She will not stay there tho. Whisp Jun 2014 #110

thank you, Senator Sanders noiretextatique Jun 2014 #23

He's been THE ONE all along! Now can we get a Ready for Bernie Bus wrapped up? Follow him everywhere TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #24

Go, Bernie, go Bernie! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #25

I'll vote for Senator Sanders no matter what he runs as... TheProgressive Jun 2014 #27

Then what are you doing here....this is Democratic Underground... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #30

Oh yes he can be. He's supported by the dems. If he runs for the nomination cali Jun 2014 #36

Senator Sanders has more true democratic principals than most 'registered Democrats'. TheProgressive Jun 2014 #50

+1000 MissDeeds Jun 2014 #90

Then why ISN'T He a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #104

Really? TheProgressive Jun 2014 #125

And He is a Democrat how? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #127

I really don't understand your issue here... TheProgressive Jun 2014 #130

Yes you do.....you understand it perfectly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #131

Ok...thanks for playing... TheProgressive Jun 2014 #134

That one thinks he/she owns the site, has been that way since first coming and disrupting here. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #160

Progressives as well as conservatives such as yourself post here you know VR Dragonfli Jun 2014 #62

That was low, but you got nothing else but insults... Whisp Jun 2014 #67

It was an observation, not an insult Dragonfli Jun 2014 #75

Labels... TheProgressive Jun 2014 #128

And so do Ideologues and wolves in sheeps clothing too.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #107

Wolves in sheep's clothing, support free trade agreements and domestic spying Dragonfli Jun 2014 #117

Really? davidthegnome Jun 2014 #181

yes, and he is out there working and getting the word out hopemountain Jun 2014 #163

I'd take Bernie over any of the corporate owned Dems any day. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2014 #29

Thanks for the heads up..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #31

Oh, I don't have you on ignore already? Skeeter Barnes Jun 2014 #38

but you looove bernie, remember, 'nilla? cali Jun 2014 #175

Bernie 2016. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #32

Got to have this "conversation", to employ an Obama-ism. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #33

As an independent, so what the does for is irrelevant to Democratic candidates until Agnosticsherbet Jun 2014 #35

If he runs, he'll run as a democrat. Period. cali Jun 2014 #39

According to this article in "The Nation" he appears to lean that way. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2014 #45

Bernie is very pragmatic and determined. he doesn't do pointless cali Jun 2014 #47

The guy I'd like to see in the White House is Dick Blumenthal of CT... First Speaker Jun 2014 #37

Thereare actually a fair number of good, but hidden, democrats Armstead Jun 2014 #133

I am all for Bernie Sanders going for it. BootinUp Jun 2014 #43

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #49

Run Bernie run! MissDeeds Jun 2014 #51

Well, Eva, since he is your senator, sadoldgirl Jun 2014 #53

Can't he still run for Senate? He'd still win that. TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #65

Bernie was just re-elected in 2012 cali Jun 2014 #113

! pa28 Jun 2014 #56

The only way Bernie Sanders can impact the Democrats is to become a Democrat. Peacetrain Jun 2014 #73

I dunno. The New Deal happened because Dems pulled planks from the populist party platform. redqueen Jun 2014 #100

No doubt that Bernie carries a big stick as an Independent. Peacetrain Jun 2014 #105

I can not believe the number of people posting this nonsense. ieoeja Jun 2014 #188

I seriously doubt that he'll wind up running, and in this country he'd never win anyway... George II Jun 2014 #74

I'm sure the Koch brothers have a few mil set aside for Ind Bernie to a spiteful Nader in 2016. CK_John Jun 2014 #77

I fear no one that claims that challenging Hillary is being a "nader" Aerows Jun 2014 #85

If he runs as a Democrat, fine. If he runs as an Independent, he will most likely.... George II Jun 2014 #106

I believe the word "Democratic" was in my post Aerows Jun 2014 #116

Yes you did, I was just expanding on the thought and the speculation (not yours) that... George II Jun 2014 #119

I think Sanders genuinely cares about the US Aerows Jun 2014 #122

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #78

If I hear the implication that anyone who doesn't like Aerows Jun 2014 #91

We are on the same page. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #115

Those that want an inevitable Hillary Aerows Jun 2014 #84

Good! cprise Jun 2014 #89

Go, Bernie! Bette Noir Jun 2014 #93

THANK YOU!!!! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #95

Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2014 #108

Bernie, Liz, Md.Gov. O'Malley -anybody but Goldman-Sachs darling,HRC! Divernan Jun 2014 #112

O'Malley is awesome Aerows Jun 2014 #124

Will work out well for Clinton... Mike Nelson Jun 2014 #114

she is a center right corporate politician. and a debate might not go so well for her cali Jun 2014 #123

"Center right"? BS That is a TeaLeft statement. RBInMaine Jun 2014 #148

center right. And anyone who thinks Eleanor Cliff is "teaLeft" is fucking plumb delusional cali Jun 2014 #151

For that you can thank the teabaggers, otherwise it would be a lot of "I agree with Governor (insert TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #135

He has MY Vote! joanbarnes Jun 2014 #126

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!!! SummerSnow Jun 2014 #129

Good. 840high Jun 2014 #136

HIP HIP HOORAY! ECHOFIELDS Jun 2014 #144

Please stay safe Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #150

WOW - a candidate Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2014 #152

I'd consider supporting Sanders davidpdx Jun 2014 #155

This makes my day. He's running and that's just what we need. Autumn Jun 2014 #156

I would rather vote for a Democratic candidate who actually is a Democrat. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #157

I feel the same way about third way Democrat/Republicans. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #162

alright! now we're talkin' hopemountain Jun 2014 #165

We need to show America the true left !! It ain't Hillary folks. YOHABLO Jun 2014 #172

Bernie!! AzDar Jun 2014 #174

K&R!! nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #177

With the comments on this board, herding Democrates is like herding cats. olegramps Jun 2014 #178

a small, hopeful, kick (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2014 #180

What's up with this purity crap? davidthegnome Jun 2014 #182

I am a registered Independent. bullsnarfle Jun 2014 #184

Didn't learn anything from 2000 eh? BootinUp Jun 2014 #185

On the contrary. davidthegnome Jun 2014 #187

You missed a couple BootinUp Jun 2014 #189

Where did I say that? davidthegnome Jun 2014 #196

We have to make sure dotymed Jun 2014 #183

Awesome. A real Democrat to vote for. obxhead Jun 2014 #186

Sanders would be a breath of fresh air...I've grown tired of legacy politics. NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #191

Talk about a dream come true! mentalslavery Jun 2014 #192

I would vote for Bernie in a nanosecond!!! n/t RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #194

K&R woo me with science Jun 2014 #195

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #197