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davidthegnome

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150. With respect...

Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:51 AM

Jun 2014

that's part of the problem. I mean, that we can't find any candidate with money that can't be tied to wall street or the MIC. Basically, our politicians pretty much have to have great wealth, or be supported by others of great wealth... just to run for office. That's not what democracy should be. With respect for the Clintons, their wealth is one of those things that makes me nervous about a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

Wealthy people can be fantastic. I know a few who I believe are genuinely wonderful human beings. I don't know the Clintons well enough to say whether or not I think they are. I can say that I'm grateful to Mr. Clinton for the surplus, for years of a prosperous economy and a generally peaceful (compared to now) foreign policy. I can say that I agree with Hillary that it "takes a village to raise a child". Hell, they seem like they might be really nice people. I don't really care what Bill did with an intern, I care about what he did for this Country.

I just wish that people of more modest means would have more of a voice in the politics of this Country. Every time I see an ad for BP, or Koch industries, Monsanto, or General Electric, I grimace. There is just way, way too much money in politics.

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Hillary and Bill earned every penny they have. [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 OP

Blood money? hrmjustin Jun 2014 #1

NAFTA/Glass Steagal Repeal? 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #4

Blood money is too stroong a word. I disliked NAFTA but I loved Clinton. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #5

I save blood money for the Bush Cheney crew- this is more "they're all exactly the same" bettyellen Jun 2014 #11

Agreed! I hope we all can support the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #14

I don't recall writing that they're exactly the same. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #17

It's a meme going around here- saw Hil compared to Romney- then Malia and Sasha to Bush's kids on bettyellen Jun 2014 #22

I believe that you wrote that my post was more of "exactly the same" MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #23

the "blood money" is OTT. just as comping Clinton wealth with Romney wealth is..... bettyellen Jun 2014 #26

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ (But alas, it will doubtless fall on deaf ears.) 11 Bravo Jun 2014 #32

yep, if speaking fees are blood money, bad trade agreements murder..... bettyellen Jun 2014 #37

You have no idea the affects Nafta had on the poor and homeless. Phlem Jun 2014 #49

I actually do. It is still overheated rhetoric. And a naive line of thinking. bettyellen Jun 2014 #50

Oh I'm sure you do. Phlem Jun 2014 #56

You have absolutely no idea what I have experienced- but thanks anyway for the snark bettyellen Jun 2014 #60

Same here, and your welcome for the snark. Phlem Jun 2014 #64

Did someone actually compare Clinton wealth with Romney wealth? Dawgs Jun 2014 #45

Yep, I have seen the comparison 5-6 times in the last two days. bettyellen Jun 2014 #48

The last line of this OP is: bvar22 Jun 2014 #121

it's the "blood money" rhetoric that I- and many here- find OTT bettyellen Jun 2014 #129

First of all, all this talk about blood money is nothing but a straw man. hueymahl Jun 2014 #143

It renders the term blood money meaningless. bettyellen Jun 2014 #145

Congrats - Two logical falacies at once hueymahl Jun 2014 #148

With respect... davidthegnome Jun 2014 #150

I completely agree, but at this moment- discussing these candidates- it is what we are stuck with bettyellen Jun 2014 #154

I consider "we're stuck with it" to be a Third Way talking point woo me with science Jun 2014 #156

I'm pragmatic about where we are at the present moment bettyellen Jun 2014 #166

Merely saying that supporting a neoliberal candidate is "pragmatic" does not make it so. woo me with science Jun 2014 #168

again, you are making unfounded assumptions - where did I say I support Hillary? NOWHERE. bettyellen Jun 2014 #170

You're implying the OP is written by an "uninformed" citizen. 2banon Jun 2014 #152

No, I am saying it is hyperbole that the uninformed will take and run with. bettyellen Jun 2014 #155

If it comes from 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #20

Koch bros funded the DLC... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #144

Important point. woo me with science Jun 2014 #158

I love you too nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #27

I understand the Nafta and tpp opposition. believe me I do. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #29

Given what the economic policies have done nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #31

Technically I guess it is not. zeemike Jun 2014 #92

Glass-steagall was rendered impotent during the Reagan administration AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #125

She has blood on her hands Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #7

I am sorry but I don't agree. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #9

she does not samsingh Jun 2014 #15

Yes she does. Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #21

Yeah, whatever........ Beacool Jun 2014 #54

and her husband has the blood of Iraqi children on his hands: Whisp Jun 2014 #115

How would you define "blood money"? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #8

Not the Clinton speaking fees. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #10

this is not blood money. The Clinton's are fantastic. samsingh Jun 2014 #16

I don't get it either. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #18

Blood Money PowerToThePeople Jun 2014 #136

"It ain't the money: it's the bull@#$%." Dawgs Jun 2014 #2

^ truth Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #30

I don't mind that Hillary is rich. I mind that she's a warmongering, TPP-backing neo-con. Scuba Jun 2014 #3

Other than H.Clinton's Iraq war vote, why is she called a warmonger? lumpy Jun 2014 #77

read where she said DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #85

Wow. What else? lumpy Jun 2014 #98

There is this little clip about Gaddafi and Libya: bvar22 Jun 2014 #122

That's not enough? Scuba Jun 2014 #113

What is her position on Syria? lumpy Jun 2014 #160

Maybe by "targeted response" she meant we'd buy Syrian refugees some food and clothing at Target. Scuba Jun 2014 #161

But she's a warmongering, TPP-backing neo-con with a "D" after her name, Maedhros Jun 2014 #102

Its all knee-jerk, Romney money - good. Clinton money - baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. marble falls Jun 2014 #6

Actually Romney is seen increasingly in the same club nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #28

Increasingly? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #39

Let me clarify, the 1% is seen as a mass nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #43

I think many of them are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #46

I am deep in reading economic policy right now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #51

I would consider Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #58

To your last point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62

I'm thinking more infrastructure Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #72

And that creates jobs , hopefully triggering nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #74

Again, hopefully so. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #75

PUMAEWMHPCSPUOE! onehandle Jun 2014 #12

Well you better inform some others here JaneyVee Jun 2014 #13

sigh. you persist in trying to falsely make this about people here hating rich people cali Jun 2014 #35

Sticking her foot in her mouth......uh uh... lumpy Jun 2014 #84

brilliant response! such depth. such meaning. cali Jun 2014 #88

You brilliance is noted, but Baby, you forgot to complete your sentences in a couple of your lines. lumpy Jun 2014 #97

What about the rich 3rd way. Phlem Jun 2014 #52

Hillary is fantastic! samsingh Jun 2014 #19

They made money the old fashioned way - by exploiting minorities. OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #70

Thank you for this post. woo me with science Jun 2014 #104

isn't this more about the factory owners? samsingh Jun 2014 #108

The factory owners OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #111

To rich folks, when "earning" money, slave labor is something of which one never thinks. Maedhros Jun 2014 #130

Haiti is Open for Business... Whisp Jun 2014 #141

I don't think it's about the money. MoonchildCA Jun 2014 #24

blood money? bigtree Jun 2014 #25

Can you say the Carlyle Group is not Blood Money 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #33

Thank you. These protestations are lame and absurd. woo me with science Jun 2014 #36

I hear Crickets 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #61

K&R Of course it's blood money, both literally and figuratively. woo me with science Jun 2014 #34

+1 deutsey Jun 2014 #41

She worse that a fucking Republican, am I right? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #47

It's the policies, Jeff. I think *you* need to calm down, woo me with science Jun 2014 #55

You're one, what am I? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #105

Can you please stop making it personal for a moment and respond to the policies? woo me with science Jun 2014 #107

A fair point... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #110

You say, "fair point," yet your next sentence accuses me of "hurling personal insults at Democrats." woo me with science Jun 2014 #124

Baseless? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #128

You are remarkably incapable of making, or refuting, effective arguments. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #131

The constant denial of the link between predatory policies and economic and human despair woo me with science Jun 2014 #132

And all of this... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #139

An excellent way to end this exchange. Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2014 #153

Well said and exactly right. Number23 Jun 2014 #134

Wow you silver tongue devil remind me not to get in a policy debate with you. Nice retort woo n/t Drew Richards Jun 2014 #171

OMG Phlem Jun 2014 #66

You are right. 'A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing'. It is amazing to hear that Hillary is lumpy Jun 2014 #82

Hillary is not my favorite Democrat. JEB Jun 2014 #149

Sadly, anything connected with Wall St and bankers today is in essence blood money. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #38

Nicely said deutsey Jun 2014 #42

Wut, wut, wut? Phlem Jun 2014 #59

Now that you have discovered the cause of all the ills of mankind, what is your solution to lumpy Jun 2014 #83

The only solutions I can control are my own. raouldukelives Jun 2014 #142

Your pipe dreams are the pipe dreams of most of us, including me. lumpy Jun 2014 #163

BITCOINS!....snark... Drew Richards Jun 2014 #172

Well said. woo me with science Jun 2014 #135

Excellent points. Thank you for the thoughtful post. JEB Jun 2014 #151

much of their money came from book sales dsc Jun 2014 #40

Wow Manny. You SO nailed it here. I'd been worried about you, but closeupready Jun 2014 #44

The overwrought wild exaggerations that one has come to expect here. Beacool Jun 2014 #53

Given that is the exact language I heard nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

I won't need any smelling salts. Beacool Jun 2014 #67

And we hear WHOOOSHHHH!!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #68

What I'm trying to say is that this is all white noise, that it doesn't matter. Beacool Jun 2014 #71

You are right, at the individual level they do not matter nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #73

Except it's not. Elizabeth Warren is touted as the anti Hillary and she's very wealthy Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #157

Nice OP Manny. Phlem Jun 2014 #57

It ain't the money: it's the bull@#$%. 840high Jun 2014 #63

all great wealth is from blood money. unblock Jun 2014 #69

" i'm much more interested in senator warrens' amazing talents and plans than i am about hearing... bettyellen Jun 2014 #79

Oh please. Why not just compare the Clintons to Pol Pot or Stalin? NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #76

In the real world NAFTA, a product of Bill's economic policy, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #78

My job got shipped overseas, overnight, because of NAFTA. Phlem Jun 2014 #94

You will love the column I am working on for I guess tomorrow nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #95

Totally looking forward to it. Phlem Jun 2014 #96

Thanks for the mail! Phlem Jun 2014 #99

Need to go to county for the vote on budget nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #100

I know right? Phlem Jun 2014 #80

You want progress? You want higher living standards? NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #101

riiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttt. Phlem Jun 2014 #103

Nope. You definitely can be a liberal and not support Hillary. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #109

Says you. Phlem Jun 2014 #112

i thought liberals abandoned the party noiretextatique Jun 2014 #114

Sure, that's what it is. Phlem Jun 2014 #116

i totally agree with you noiretextatique Jun 2014 #117

I had a feeling we were in accord, sorry for coming off pissed. Phlem Jun 2014 #119

you too, Phelm noiretextatique Jun 2014 #120

The term "Liberal" has been coopted by moderate Republicans Maedhros Jun 2014 #133

This is what I'm trying to say. Phlem Jun 2014 #137

This is a very lame response woo me with science Jun 2014 #81

The OP actually compared them to beloved figures leftstreet Jun 2014 #90

They ARE comparing the Clintons with Pol Pot and Stalin. That is not the way to influence lumpy Jun 2014 #91

So did a lot of people. Which doesn't mean they'd make a decent president. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #86

By the time Bill Clinton left the WH there was only one reason I could still tolerate him tularetom Jun 2014 #87

DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #89

Speaking of blood, there are too damn many people on this site who are willing to draw blood. lumpy Jun 2014 #93

I swear.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #106

I agree that the Clintons earned their money. Chuck Finley Jun 2014 #118

They weren't paid because they just walked in off the street AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #127

You realize you are posting a rational statement in this thread? BootinUp Jun 2014 #165

It ain't the money: it's the bull@#$%. bvar22 Jun 2014 #123

Yes, they did AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #126

"It ain't the money, it's the bullshit." Perfectly stated. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #138

Draft Senator Warren for President, 2016 (nt) NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #140

Do you think she 'earned' her 15 Million Dollars running a shelter for homeless bunny rabbits? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #146

Why are you in favor of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #159

Everybody seems to have missed the last line: "It ain't the money: it's the bull@#$%." Says it all. marble falls Jun 2014 #147

Terms are very relative. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #162

Someone actually suggested to 1SBM that women, LGBTs and POC have some differences in priorities bettyellen Jun 2014 #167

Hey look. If you want to post fantasy about the Clintons BootinUp Jun 2014 #164

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #169

kick woo me with science Jun 2014 #173