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Igel

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23. The estimates vary.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jun 2014

Often for political or ideological reasons. Some of the larger ones are just plain screwy. On occasion you find sort of "let's add up all the largest estimates for a region over time" estimates--population of the Amazon at its peak, population of Cahokia at its peak, population of the SW US at its peak. Even if the peaks really didn't coincide in time.

The estimates for those lost to disease also vary.

However, while a lot of the agriculture was sustainable--most agriculture has been, over time, not so much because of cultural merit as technological inability to make it truly unsustainable--in some cases it wasn't. Some species were overfished in S. California and are well attested in middens, then their numbers dwindle and vanish. We only know them from fossils and from kitchen middens.

Mast was widely spread throughout the eastern portion of North America, with consequences for the species that were native. Pawpaw was not original to Texas through Quebec. It, too, was spread--and with it went some animal and insect species, and the space it took up was space lost to native species.

And there are places that had irrigation in the SW that were rendered unusable. Irrigation introduced too many salts into the soil. The same happened to "sustainable" irrigation in N. India, the Middle East, N. Africa.

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I like maps. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #1
Intersting liberal N proud Jun 2014 #2
Heard about this on the news yesterday. Meant to look it up. Thanks for posting riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #3
du rec. xchrom Jun 2014 #4
This is wonderful. hunter Jun 2014 #5
Studied anthropology and am familiar with a few. I also love maps even if I get slammed KittyWampus Jun 2014 #6
Awesome n/t fleabiscuit Jun 2014 #7
I love this! Thanks for posting. SalviaBlue Jun 2014 #8
This has been posted before but is a nice reminder..... blackspade Jun 2014 #9
This is a great starting point for further research. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #10
Interesting! I wonder what the Apache nations/tribes were called... TygrBright Jun 2014 #11
A little work with Wikipedia should answer your questions. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #18
Yes, I knew about the Navajo. TygrBright Jun 2014 #20
Did you find a group corresponding to the (A)Nasazi on the map? Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #21
wondering if they were the precursor to Hopi tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #26
The map's a representative fiction. Igel Jun 2014 #22
i give more credence to what we american indian peoples call ourselves hopemountain Jun 2014 #27
Yep... Deuce Jun 2014 #32
The perfect Christmas gift for my oldest Step-son...Thanks Lochloosa Jun 2014 #12
Thanks for the post. ctsnowman Jun 2014 #13
Okay, that's super-interesting. Now for an hour with the full map. byronius Jun 2014 #14
Work like this maindawg Jun 2014 #15
There were 60 million people living in the Western Hemisphere when Columbus came KurtNYC Jun 2014 #16
The estimates vary. Igel Jun 2014 #23
links to support your statements, please. nt hopemountain Jun 2014 #28
K & R malaise Jun 2014 #17
Back in 1970 my Aunt gave me a present of a beautiful book, Almost Ancestors, The First Californians aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #19
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2014 #24
neat! tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #25
Here is a link to his... reACTIONary Jun 2014 #29
nice indeed! G_j Jun 2014 #40
Super cool map G-j lovemydog Jun 2014 #30
Thanks for this post... KoKo Jun 2014 #31
In the US nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #33
Wow. This is beautiful and a treasure. DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #34
k and r and thank you for posting this niyad Jun 2014 #35
This is so cool -- I couldn't wait to show my wife theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #36
What a wonderful post! Gumboot Jun 2014 #37
K&R. Thanks for this! nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #38
Sadly the American historians have lied about the actual numbers of rhett o rick Jun 2014 #39
Thank you so much for posting this. n/t cntrygrl Jun 2014 #41
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