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fasttense

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94. Laws are a pretense.

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 08:17 AM

Dec 2011

Soon they will stop passing laws and drop the charade altogether. They will rule simply on their whim.

Just think of all the laws the federal government is actively ignoring now, buy America Act, Anti-trust laws, Anti-torture laws, Financial fraud laws, Election fraud laws, Not to mention several parts of the Constitution like this one: no warrants shall be issued, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized, and this one: nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

I heard a Libertarian, the other day, say that democracy was messy, and self-destructive. He thought it should be replaced. He didn't say what he would replace it with. I imagine the whim of some rich man would be more to his liking.

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FBI Says Activists Who Investigate Factory Farms Can Be Prosecuted as Terrorists [View all] Catherina Dec 2011 OP

Now, THIS saddens me. This is not good! secondwind Dec 2011 #1

This is getting more and more like a repressive police state IMO. As many Americans snooze. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #2

Getting? It *is* a police state and there's nothing we can do about it. MotherPetrie Dec 2011 #4

femrap Dec 2011 #62

Femrap, I feel that way every day. dotymed Dec 2011 #109

Bullshit there is nothing we can do! Nostradammit Dec 2011 #87

I agree. Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #125

Seems any damage to a corporation can be construded as terror. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #3

That's because they write the laws that congress passes and the president signs MotherPetrie Dec 2011 #5

And everyone is bought by big money, so they do their bidding. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #7

Yep..i agree.. INdemo Dec 2011 #103

I just watched Casino Jack (the Jack Abramoff story). Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #126

The word "terrorism" has been mis/overused. Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #6

At what point do we declare the country a lost cause and just move out? Speck Tater Dec 2011 #8

The border fence is not completed yet so there's still time. nt NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #28

I'm Canadian and I live in a state that allows me to marry anyone 17 and older... OswegoAtheist Dec 2011 #41

Will keep your contact info if needed.... Pachamama Dec 2011 #47

Can your property grow wheat? aquart Dec 2011 #81

Yes, it can. n/t Pachamama Dec 2011 #112

Male or female? Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #127

Leave any time you like. aquart Dec 2011 #80

Right now to very many people. dotymed Dec 2011 #111

I've already started the process to go to New Zealand kylie772 Dec 2011 #133

The thread is bad news, but I'm glad to see you! Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #9

I really like DU3's jury system & improved transparency Catherina Dec 2011 #21

Thanks for posting this, it's quite interesting and quite telling about the state of affairs in RKP5637 Dec 2011 #22

All we have to do is turn off Internet & turn on FOX & all of this anguish will disappear Catherina Dec 2011 #38

The corporations are in control now...not "We The People" CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #10

well, now that corporations are people, I guess that they're just really BIG people Burgman Dec 2011 #14

Well that's bullshit. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #11

I like your quote. fasttense Dec 2011 #93

What a depressing post, sometimes I am afraid Autumn Dec 2011 #12

The way it's going eventually just posting on DU will be considered an act of terrorism. RKP5637 Dec 2011 #24

I've been an "Enemy Of The State" for just about my whole life, one way or another. hobbit709 Dec 2011 #97

Fucking amazing...fromt eh FBI, the org that missed 9-11...knr joeybee12 Dec 2011 #13

To consider Law "enforcement" as a career would be the equivalent Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #17

Only if your specialty was being a dom that gave your subs STDs saras Dec 2011 #42

And that took years to find the anthrax killer -- if it found him or her or it. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #96

Gee. Just the other day I learned on DU that the government would never do that. Octafish Dec 2011 #15

+ a googolplex hifiguy Dec 2011 #18

I remember that. Trust the governement, they only write these laws for sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #143

Excuse me? hifiguy Dec 2011 #16

Good thing we all voted for that 'Hope and change' right? truebrit71 Dec 2011 #19

The prison lobby will be contributing heavily, imagine all of the $$$ they will get RKP5637 Dec 2011 #26

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE == TERRORISM yodermon Dec 2011 #20

That's the problem with starting ill-defined, never ending wars, whether Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #23

Now it's gone to full fledged war against "We the People." Submit or be imprisoned. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #29

As "Terrorists" are they now eligible to be detained indefinately NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #25

Yes they are!! thank GAWD it is not mandatory but just at the kings pleasure as Dragonfli Dec 2011 #45

Laws are a pretense. fasttense Dec 2011 #94

FYI, folks, AETA passed in 2006. yewberry Dec 2011 #27

No, this is the FBI Autumn Dec 2011 #30

The FBI has had this ability for the past 5 years, since AETA was passed. yewberry Dec 2011 #32

Correct, it was a culmation from the "Green Scare." It went unnoticed on DU. joshcryer Dec 2011 #85

I don't see Obama anywhere in the OP. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #116

No, not in the OP. yewberry Dec 2011 #141

The original legislation dates back to 1992 Major Nikon Dec 2011 #135

Unfortunately we do live in a police state...... Swede Atlanta Dec 2011 #31

Not quite. The Nazi kangaroo courts executed people shortly after the trial. stevenleser Dec 2011 #131

Well, assassinating US citizens by drone, without charges, doesn't sound all that different sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #145

Wartime conditions are different than a kangaroo court. stevenleser Dec 2011 #152

I am against these wars in the ME and N. Africa. Aren't you? I mean it was clear sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #154

we killed a number of US citizens with bombing in WW2 stevenleser Dec 2011 #155

First, there is no comparison to anything that went on in WW11 and Bush's sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #156

FBI to announce that all Americans are suspected terrorists. Deep13 Dec 2011 #33

Sad but true. nt Critters2 Dec 2011 #82

Just take a ride on an airplane. We are all suspects. gtar100 Dec 2011 #150

Ahh, well that's just dandy. a la izquierda Dec 2011 #34

Center for Constitutional Rights is fighting back meow2u3 Dec 2011 #35

"Thank God someone is sticking up for our Constitutional rights." fascisthunter Dec 2011 #44

Thanks, meow2u3 for helping me breathe again. freshwest Dec 2011 #123

Yes, they are all that is between the people and their government which is apparently sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #147

That's the problem with using amorphous words like malaise Dec 2011 #36

Hi Malaise Catherina Dec 2011 #39

Disgusting. K&R n/t myrna minx Dec 2011 #37

K&R for CCR Solly Mack Dec 2011 #40

We Knew the knew We'd start seeing this fascisthunter Dec 2011 #43

Then sent to never ending detention camps. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #46

The FBI declared animal rights activism their #1 anti-terror priority in 2005. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #48

I worked at the DU-hated PETA 2001-2004 justiceischeap Dec 2011 #98

Do you have proof for any of this? Major Nikon Dec 2011 #134

They never said it was their exclusive focus. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #138

The only thing I remember that comes close to that is the Faux story from a few years ago Major Nikon Dec 2011 #139

CNN work for you? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #140

The FBI declared animal rights activism their #1 anti-terror priority in 2005 Major Nikon Dec 2011 #142

You really don't need to explain this issue to me, thanks. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #144

I just asked for proof of your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2011 #149

well yes, you did need the explanation, because your assertion is wrong DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #151

Why cant they just be charged under existing laws for trespassing? Answer: because the precident is Pachamama Dec 2011 #49

+ 1,000 suffragette Dec 2011 #51

Just connecting the dots for the bigger picture... Pachamama Dec 2011 #61

These are scary times suffragette Dec 2011 #66

Exactly. Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #57

I might just do that.... Pachamama Dec 2011 #59

I agree with Wind Dancer suffragette Dec 2011 #67

The can't be charged with trespassing because they actually get hired justiceischeap Dec 2011 #95

If you can get charged with trespassing for standing on a public sidewalk, then they can charge you hobbit709 Dec 2011 #99

Are all the activists/whistleblowers who expose these factory farms for what they are always Pachamama Dec 2011 #110

U.S. agencies and departments have become nothing but gangsters for industry. marmar Dec 2011 #50

mission creep? swelfdealing? creating your own market? elehhhhna Dec 2011 #52

How long till its considered an act of terror to protest wall street thievery or capitalism itself? workinclasszero Dec 2011 #53

what you mean "'til"? hobbit709 Dec 2011 #100

I must be on absolutely everyone's Ignore. flvegan Dec 2011 #54

It's not important if an AR person posts about it. yewberry Dec 2011 #55

Not that you'd know this Catherina Dec 2011 #60

No disrespect intended. yewberry Dec 2011 #69

I'm sorry about that Catherina Dec 2011 #73

Glad to hear it. yewberry Dec 2011 #77

I'm a die hard meat eater and Zalatix Dec 2011 #92

What did ignored say? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #56

Same old same old. yewberry Dec 2011 #70

This is why we can't have nice things. flvegan Dec 2011 #71

A guy goes to the doctor yewberry Dec 2011 #74

His love for that dude's a bit creepy. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #83

I know I recommended some Catherina Dec 2011 #58

Thanks. flvegan Dec 2011 #72

And there it is. annabanana Dec 2011 #63

indeed (nt) fascisthunter Dec 2011 #65

This is why We progressives oppose fascist shit like the NDAA. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #64

"Activism = terrorism." And terrorists have no civil rights. Handy. DirkGently Dec 2011 #68

Yes, it started years ago. redqueen Dec 2011 #78

Is any one reading this feeling chills over the Defense Appropriates Act? Jack Rabbit Dec 2011 #75

No kidding ... I spent a few days posting about the ACLU's concerns with this law - TBF Dec 2011 #102

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2011 #76

Hey Agent Mike! FUCK YOU! lonestarnot Dec 2011 #79

Where's all the defender's of this law? limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #84

Why would DUers support a law Bush passed? joshcryer Dec 2011 #86

Why wasn't it repealed them? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #88

A moderate post-partisan repeal it? joshcryer Dec 2011 #89

Never stop asking those "inconvenient questions" Nadine... Pachamama Dec 2011 #124

There's nothing like good old American Fascism. Peter1x9 Dec 2011 #90

Some people act like the president controls the police-military-business community. Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #91

The ACLU warned on NDAA - unfortunately most have hopped on the fascist bandwagon. nt TBF Dec 2011 #101

Jesus, what a bunch of shit this is. ellie Dec 2011 #104

FBI = Federal Bureau of Intimidation Yon_Yonson Dec 2011 #105

And there you have the reason for NDAA KansDem Dec 2011 #106

Hi Catherina :) Marrah_G Dec 2011 #107

I agree with you Catherina Dec 2011 #121

It's really good to "see" you as well :) Marrah_G Dec 2011 #122

As I've said before ... "national security" is code for corporate profits TownDrunk2 Dec 2011 #108

Coming soon to your neighborhood, Mom and Pop terrorist shops. Thor_MN Dec 2011 #113

Animal activists caused economic harm? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #114

...America is going to hell. SoapBox Dec 2011 #115

indeed Baclava Dec 2011 #120

These two photos. There's your terrorism. lib_wit_it Dec 2011 #132

The ACLU didn't oppose the bill........suggest some word changes. Historic NY Dec 2011 #117

Looks like Fl has the Ag Gag back up also Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #118

I Called this back in during the Bush/Cheney regime krucial Dec 2011 #119

As one Prosecutor said "I can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich" Conviction is another yellowcanine Dec 2011 #128

Tell the SHAC 7 that. flvegan Dec 2011 #148

Investigations and charges waste activists time and money. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #153

why can't factory farming be illegal instead? alp227 Dec 2011 #129

In other news... Javaman Dec 2011 #130

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #136

And when this DHS report...�Rightwing Extremism:...." for police & other groups was leaked, tpsbmam Dec 2011 #137

Nothing is more important to conservatives than money. gtar100 Dec 2011 #146