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In reply to the discussion: LBJ was bullied into VietNam war same way they are bullying Obama now... [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)36. So much trauma. LBJ was sworn into office with Jackie Kennedy in her bloody dress by his side:

Just hours after her husband's assassination, widow Jackie Kennedy stands next to Lyndon Johnson on Air Force One as he is sworn in as the 36th President of the United States. Although her personal assistant laid out a fresh change of clothes on her bed aboard the plane, Jackie refused to change out of her blood-spattered clothing. Also aboard Air Force One was the casket carrying the body of President John F. Kennedy, age 46.
In her bedroom on board the plane, Jackies personal assistant had laid out a fresh outfit for the First Lady. Despite urging from staffers and handlers to clean up her appearance, Jackie refused to get out of her bloodied clothes. She shook her head hard:
"No, let them see what theyve done.
Somehow, that was one of the most poignant sights, Mrs. Johnson later wrote, that immaculate woman exquisitely dressed, and caked in blood.
https://lisawallerrogers.wordpress.com/tag/lyndon-johnsons-swearing-in-as-president/
The GOP tried to unseat Johnson less than a year later by running:
Barry Goldwater (January 2, 1909[1] May 29, 1998) was a businessman and five-term United States Senator from Arizona (195365, 196987) and the Republican Party's nominee for president in the 1964 election. An articulate and charismatic figure during the first half of the 1960s, he was known as "Mr. Conservative".
Goldwater is the politician most often credited for sparking the resurgence of the American conservative political movement in the 1960s. He also had a substantial impact on the libertarian movement.[2]
Goldwater rejected the legacy of the New Deal and fought through the conservative coalition against the New Deal coalition. He mobilized a large conservative constituency to win the hard-fought Republican primaries. Goldwater's conservative campaign platform ultimately failed to gain the support of the electorate[3] and he lost the 1964 presidential election to incumbent Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson by one of the largest landslides in history, bringing down many Republican candidates as well. The Johnson campaign and other critics painted him as a reactionary, while supporters praised his crusades against the Soviet Union, labor unions, and the welfare state.
His defeat allowed Johnson and the Democrats in Congress to pass the Great Society programs, but the defeat of so many older Republicans in 1964 also cleared the way for a younger generation of American conservatives to mobilize. Goldwater was much less active as a national leader of conservatives after 1964; his supporters mostly rallied behind Ronald Reagan, who became governor of California in 1967 and the 40th President of the United States in 1981.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater
About the same time was Curtis LeMay saying we could bomb North Vietnam to the Stone Age. The slogan of 'Nuke 'em' or 'Bomb 'em back to the Stone Age' was popular with conservatives.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay
Curtis LeMay was a friend of Goldwater, and he also ran for public office:
Curtis Emerson LeMay (November 15, 1906 October 1, 1990) was a general in the United States Air Force and the vice presidential running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate George Wallace in 1968.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay
Those of us against Goldwater in 1964 countered their campaign slogan of 'In your heart, you know he's right' with 'In your heart, you know he's nuts.'
We know who walked into Goldwater's seat in the Senate. 'Bomb, bomb, bomb-bomb Iran' John Mc Cain. It just goes on and on. There were millions who wanted the Cold War and the Vietnam war to keep on going.
We'd already lost both Kennedys and MLK by that time. If Goldwater had won, the New Deal would have been gone before Carter. LBJ was aware of political reality and just how far these guys would go and I don't know how much of this was about his own ideas.
These guys were not about to give up, big money never does, it can wait out activists, in fact they count on our growing old and getting out of their way.
There is a solid line connecting the groups then, and those now. The Tea Party and Libertarians are closer to achieving their goals, but the agenda has never changed.
JMHO.
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LBJ was bullied into VietNam war same way they are bullying Obama now... [View all]
randys1
Jun 2014
OP
no way. Watch the movie "The Fog of War". No one "bullied" Johnson. he lied about the gulf of
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#4
Read the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, and I think you may change your mind
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#14
I understand, but LBJ was not a person who allowed himself to be pressured. He passed the civil
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#13
Wow. I really think things would have been different if Bobby had a chance. Actually the country
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#34
So much trauma. LBJ was sworn into office with Jackie Kennedy in her bloody dress by his side:
freshwest
Jun 2014
#36
And we see a steady chorus about PBO being weak because he refuses to take on Bush's job.
freshwest
Jun 2014
#28
I was lucky, I got called up for my physical but was able to get out because of high blood pressure
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#9
Yes, I remember Dan Rather with the body counts and a lot of coverage on Vietnam.
freshwest
Jun 2014
#32
I agree with your assessment. It still is being done in our name though
lostincalifornia
Jun 2014
#33
"Bullied"? I think it's called "assassinating his immediate predecessor." LBJ got the message.
WinkyDink
Jun 2014
#7
If there's a hell, McNamara is there, and Kissinger is headed there the second he dies.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2014
#24
Sort of like JFK's admin was an interruption in service to the Dogs of War Inc.
Octafish
Jun 2014
#40
John Michael Dunn...the guy made general and left an oral history of his time in Saigon...
Octafish
Jun 2014
#49
"Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" He wanted the anti-commie PR.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2014
#46
maybe we should elect a president who won't be bullied. after all, he didn't let
Doctor_J
Jun 2014
#50