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JDPriestly

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96. And that took years to find the anthrax killer -- if it found him or her or it.

Wed Dec 21, 2011, 08:42 AM

Dec 2011

And we are supposed to think that an organization that can't find a killer lurking in an obvious place in a government agency can differentiate terrorists from peaceful dissidents.

Destroying property is a crime, but it is not terrorism.

If you steal someone's animals, even if they are mistreating them, you have stolen something. If you purposely destroy their property, that also is a crime, but it is not the same sort of crime as blowing up the World Trade Center -- not at all.

We don't need special laws about terrorism. We just need calm, fair enforcement of the laws we have -- including our First Amendment rights. Entities or individuals in the government who over-react or try to deprive us of our First Amendment rights should be sued and/or prosecuted.

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FBI Says Activists Who Investigate Factory Farms Can Be Prosecuted as Terrorists [View all] Catherina Dec 2011 OP

Now, THIS saddens me. This is not good! secondwind Dec 2011 #1

This is getting more and more like a repressive police state IMO. As many Americans snooze. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #2

Getting? It *is* a police state and there's nothing we can do about it. MotherPetrie Dec 2011 #4

femrap Dec 2011 #62

Femrap, I feel that way every day. dotymed Dec 2011 #109

Bullshit there is nothing we can do! Nostradammit Dec 2011 #87

I agree. Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #125

Seems any damage to a corporation can be construded as terror. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #3

That's because they write the laws that congress passes and the president signs MotherPetrie Dec 2011 #5

And everyone is bought by big money, so they do their bidding. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #7

Yep..i agree.. INdemo Dec 2011 #103

I just watched Casino Jack (the Jack Abramoff story). Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #126

The word "terrorism" has been mis/overused. Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #6

At what point do we declare the country a lost cause and just move out? Speck Tater Dec 2011 #8

The border fence is not completed yet so there's still time. nt NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #28

I'm Canadian and I live in a state that allows me to marry anyone 17 and older... OswegoAtheist Dec 2011 #41

Will keep your contact info if needed.... Pachamama Dec 2011 #47

Can your property grow wheat? aquart Dec 2011 #81

Yes, it can. n/t Pachamama Dec 2011 #112

Male or female? Eddie Haskell Dec 2011 #127

Leave any time you like. aquart Dec 2011 #80

Right now to very many people. dotymed Dec 2011 #111

I've already started the process to go to New Zealand kylie772 Dec 2011 #133

The thread is bad news, but I'm glad to see you! Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #9

I really like DU3's jury system & improved transparency Catherina Dec 2011 #21

Thanks for posting this, it's quite interesting and quite telling about the state of affairs in RKP5637 Dec 2011 #22

All we have to do is turn off Internet & turn on FOX & all of this anguish will disappear Catherina Dec 2011 #38

The corporations are in control now...not "We The People" CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #10

well, now that corporations are people, I guess that they're just really BIG people Burgman Dec 2011 #14

Well that's bullshit. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #11

I like your quote. fasttense Dec 2011 #93

What a depressing post, sometimes I am afraid Autumn Dec 2011 #12

The way it's going eventually just posting on DU will be considered an act of terrorism. RKP5637 Dec 2011 #24

I've been an "Enemy Of The State" for just about my whole life, one way or another. hobbit709 Dec 2011 #97

Fucking amazing...fromt eh FBI, the org that missed 9-11...knr joeybee12 Dec 2011 #13

To consider Law "enforcement" as a career would be the equivalent Dawson Leery Dec 2011 #17

Only if your specialty was being a dom that gave your subs STDs saras Dec 2011 #42

And that took years to find the anthrax killer -- if it found him or her or it. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #96

Gee. Just the other day I learned on DU that the government would never do that. Octafish Dec 2011 #15

+ a googolplex hifiguy Dec 2011 #18

I remember that. Trust the governement, they only write these laws for sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #143

Excuse me? hifiguy Dec 2011 #16

Good thing we all voted for that 'Hope and change' right? truebrit71 Dec 2011 #19

The prison lobby will be contributing heavily, imagine all of the $$$ they will get RKP5637 Dec 2011 #26

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE == TERRORISM yodermon Dec 2011 #20

That's the problem with starting ill-defined, never ending wars, whether Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #23

Now it's gone to full fledged war against "We the People." Submit or be imprisoned. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #29

As "Terrorists" are they now eligible to be detained indefinately NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #25

Yes they are!! thank GAWD it is not mandatory but just at the kings pleasure as Dragonfli Dec 2011 #45

Laws are a pretense. fasttense Dec 2011 #94

FYI, folks, AETA passed in 2006. yewberry Dec 2011 #27

No, this is the FBI Autumn Dec 2011 #30

The FBI has had this ability for the past 5 years, since AETA was passed. yewberry Dec 2011 #32

Correct, it was a culmation from the "Green Scare." It went unnoticed on DU. joshcryer Dec 2011 #85

I don't see Obama anywhere in the OP. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #116

No, not in the OP. yewberry Dec 2011 #141

The original legislation dates back to 1992 Major Nikon Dec 2011 #135

Unfortunately we do live in a police state...... Swede Atlanta Dec 2011 #31

Not quite. The Nazi kangaroo courts executed people shortly after the trial. stevenleser Dec 2011 #131

Well, assassinating US citizens by drone, without charges, doesn't sound all that different sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #145

Wartime conditions are different than a kangaroo court. stevenleser Dec 2011 #152

I am against these wars in the ME and N. Africa. Aren't you? I mean it was clear sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #154

we killed a number of US citizens with bombing in WW2 stevenleser Dec 2011 #155

First, there is no comparison to anything that went on in WW11 and Bush's sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #156

FBI to announce that all Americans are suspected terrorists. Deep13 Dec 2011 #33

Sad but true. nt Critters2 Dec 2011 #82

Just take a ride on an airplane. We are all suspects. gtar100 Dec 2011 #150

Ahh, well that's just dandy. a la izquierda Dec 2011 #34

Center for Constitutional Rights is fighting back meow2u3 Dec 2011 #35

"Thank God someone is sticking up for our Constitutional rights." fascisthunter Dec 2011 #44

Thanks, meow2u3 for helping me breathe again. freshwest Dec 2011 #123

Yes, they are all that is between the people and their government which is apparently sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #147

That's the problem with using amorphous words like malaise Dec 2011 #36

Hi Malaise Catherina Dec 2011 #39

Disgusting. K&R n/t myrna minx Dec 2011 #37

K&R for CCR Solly Mack Dec 2011 #40

We Knew the knew We'd start seeing this fascisthunter Dec 2011 #43

Then sent to never ending detention camps. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #46

The FBI declared animal rights activism their #1 anti-terror priority in 2005. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #48

I worked at the DU-hated PETA 2001-2004 justiceischeap Dec 2011 #98

Do you have proof for any of this? Major Nikon Dec 2011 #134

They never said it was their exclusive focus. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #138

The only thing I remember that comes close to that is the Faux story from a few years ago Major Nikon Dec 2011 #139

CNN work for you? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #140

The FBI declared animal rights activism their #1 anti-terror priority in 2005 Major Nikon Dec 2011 #142

You really don't need to explain this issue to me, thanks. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #144

I just asked for proof of your assertion Major Nikon Dec 2011 #149

well yes, you did need the explanation, because your assertion is wrong DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #151

Why cant they just be charged under existing laws for trespassing? Answer: because the precident is Pachamama Dec 2011 #49

+ 1,000 suffragette Dec 2011 #51

Just connecting the dots for the bigger picture... Pachamama Dec 2011 #61

These are scary times suffragette Dec 2011 #66

Exactly. Wind Dancer Dec 2011 #57

I might just do that.... Pachamama Dec 2011 #59

I agree with Wind Dancer suffragette Dec 2011 #67

The can't be charged with trespassing because they actually get hired justiceischeap Dec 2011 #95

If you can get charged with trespassing for standing on a public sidewalk, then they can charge you hobbit709 Dec 2011 #99

Are all the activists/whistleblowers who expose these factory farms for what they are always Pachamama Dec 2011 #110

U.S. agencies and departments have become nothing but gangsters for industry. marmar Dec 2011 #50

mission creep? swelfdealing? creating your own market? elehhhhna Dec 2011 #52

How long till its considered an act of terror to protest wall street thievery or capitalism itself? workinclasszero Dec 2011 #53

what you mean "'til"? hobbit709 Dec 2011 #100

I must be on absolutely everyone's Ignore. flvegan Dec 2011 #54

It's not important if an AR person posts about it. yewberry Dec 2011 #55

Not that you'd know this Catherina Dec 2011 #60

No disrespect intended. yewberry Dec 2011 #69

I'm sorry about that Catherina Dec 2011 #73

Glad to hear it. yewberry Dec 2011 #77

I'm a die hard meat eater and Zalatix Dec 2011 #92

What did ignored say? LeftyMom Dec 2011 #56

Same old same old. yewberry Dec 2011 #70

This is why we can't have nice things. flvegan Dec 2011 #71

A guy goes to the doctor yewberry Dec 2011 #74

His love for that dude's a bit creepy. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #83

I know I recommended some Catherina Dec 2011 #58

Thanks. flvegan Dec 2011 #72

And there it is. annabanana Dec 2011 #63

indeed (nt) fascisthunter Dec 2011 #65

This is why We progressives oppose fascist shit like the NDAA. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #64

"Activism = terrorism." And terrorists have no civil rights. Handy. DirkGently Dec 2011 #68

Yes, it started years ago. redqueen Dec 2011 #78

Is any one reading this feeling chills over the Defense Appropriates Act? Jack Rabbit Dec 2011 #75

No kidding ... I spent a few days posting about the ACLU's concerns with this law - TBF Dec 2011 #102

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2011 #76

Hey Agent Mike! FUCK YOU! lonestarnot Dec 2011 #79

Where's all the defender's of this law? limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #84

Why would DUers support a law Bush passed? joshcryer Dec 2011 #86

Why wasn't it repealed them? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #88

A moderate post-partisan repeal it? joshcryer Dec 2011 #89

Never stop asking those "inconvenient questions" Nadine... Pachamama Dec 2011 #124

There's nothing like good old American Fascism. Peter1x9 Dec 2011 #90

Some people act like the president controls the police-military-business community. Shoe Horn Dec 2011 #91

The ACLU warned on NDAA - unfortunately most have hopped on the fascist bandwagon. nt TBF Dec 2011 #101

Jesus, what a bunch of shit this is. ellie Dec 2011 #104

FBI = Federal Bureau of Intimidation Yon_Yonson Dec 2011 #105

And there you have the reason for NDAA KansDem Dec 2011 #106

Hi Catherina :) Marrah_G Dec 2011 #107

I agree with you Catherina Dec 2011 #121

It's really good to "see" you as well :) Marrah_G Dec 2011 #122

As I've said before ... "national security" is code for corporate profits TownDrunk2 Dec 2011 #108

Coming soon to your neighborhood, Mom and Pop terrorist shops. Thor_MN Dec 2011 #113

Animal activists caused economic harm? abelenkpe Dec 2011 #114

...America is going to hell. SoapBox Dec 2011 #115

indeed Baclava Dec 2011 #120

These two photos. There's your terrorism. lib_wit_it Dec 2011 #132

The ACLU didn't oppose the bill........suggest some word changes. Historic NY Dec 2011 #117

Looks like Fl has the Ag Gag back up also Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #118

I Called this back in during the Bush/Cheney regime krucial Dec 2011 #119

As one Prosecutor said "I can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich" Conviction is another yellowcanine Dec 2011 #128

Tell the SHAC 7 that. flvegan Dec 2011 #148

Investigations and charges waste activists time and money. LeftyMom Dec 2011 #153

why can't factory farming be illegal instead? alp227 Dec 2011 #129

In other news... Javaman Dec 2011 #130

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #136

And when this DHS report...�Rightwing Extremism:...." for police & other groups was leaked, tpsbmam Dec 2011 #137

Nothing is more important to conservatives than money. gtar100 Dec 2011 #146