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Octafish

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40. Sort of like JFK's admin was an interruption in service to the Dogs of War Inc.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jun 2014




Galbraith and Vietnam

by RICHARD PARKER
The Nation, March 14, 2005 issue

In the fall of 1961, unknown to the American public, John F. Kennedy was weighing a crucial decision about Vietnam not unlike that which George W. Bush faced about Iraq in early 2002--whether to go to war. It was the height of the cold war, when Communism was the "terrorist threat," and Ho Chi Minh the era's Saddam Hussein to many in Washington. But the new President was a liberal Massachusetts Democrat (and a decorated war veteran), not a conservative Sunbelt Republican who claimed God's hand guided his foreign policy. JFK's tough-minded instincts about war were thus very different. Contrary to what many have come to believe about the Vietnam War's origins, new research shows that Kennedy wanted no war in Asia and had clear criteria for conditions under which he'd send Americans abroad to fight and die for their country--criteria quite relevant today.

But thanks also in part to recently declassified records, we now know that Kennedy's top aides--whatever his own views--were offering him counsel not all that different from what Bush was told forty years later. Early that November, his personal military adviser, Gen. Maxwell Taylor, and his deputy National Security Adviser, Walt Rostow, were on their way back from Saigon with a draft of the "Taylor report," their bold plan to "save" Vietnam, beginning with the commitment of at least 8,000 US troops--a down payment, they hoped, on thousands more to follow. But they knew JFK had no interest in their idea because six months earlier in a top-secret meeting, he had forcefully vetoed his aides' proposed dispatch of 60,000 troops to neighboring Laos--and they were worried about how to maneuver his assent.

Harvard economist John Kenneth Galbraith, then Ambassador to India, got wind of their plan--and rushed to block their efforts. He was not an expert on Vietnam, but India chaired the International Control Commission, which had been set up following French withdrawal from Indochina to oversee a shaky peace accord meant to stabilize the region, and so from State Department cables he knew about the Taylor mission--and thus had a clear sense of what was at stake. For Galbraith, a trusted adviser with unique back-channel access to the President, a potential US war in Vietnam represented more than a disastrous misadventure in foreign policy--it risked derailing the New Frontier's domestic plans for Keynesian-led full employment, and for massive new spending on education, the environment and what would become the War on Poverty. Worse, he feared, it might ultimately tear not only the Democratic Party but the nation apart--and usher in a new conservative era in American politics.

Early that November, just as Taylor and his team arrived back in Washington, Galbraith arrived from New Delhi for the state visit of Prime Minister Nehru. Hoping to gain a quick upper hand over Taylor and his mission, he arranged a private luncheon for Kennedy and Nehru at the Newport estate of Jacqueline Kennedy's mother and stepfather. No one from the State Department--to Secretary of State Dean Rusk's great consternation--was invited, save Galbraith. Ten days earlier, Galbraith, in one of his back-channel messages, had shared with Kennedy his growing concerns about Vietnam. From India, he'd played a role in defusing the Laos situation that spring, but over the summer, the Berlin crisis had sent a sharp chill through relations with the Soviets, with the risks of nuclear confrontation for a time all too real. About this, Galbraith now told the President:

Although at times I have been rather troubled by Berlin, I have always had the feeling that it would be worked out. I have continued to worry far, far more about South Viet Nam. This is more complex, far less controllable, far more varied in the factors involved, far more susceptible to misunderstanding. And to make matters worse, I have no real confidence in the sophistication and political judgment of our people there.

This was advice Kennedy was hearing from no one else in his Administration, but clearly welcomed.

CONTINUED...

http://www.johnkennethgalbraith.com/index.php?display=10&page=articles



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Eh, there's always someone. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #1
Yes. But... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #2
I dont know about that but I will say this, it drives me nuts randys1 Jun 2014 #3
no way. Watch the movie "The Fog of War". No one "bullied" Johnson. he lied about the gulf of lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #4
You are saying exactly what Thom was saying, that LBJ was hearing this randys1 Jun 2014 #6
Read the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, and I think you may change your mind lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #14
I have always wanted to take the time to read those...LBJ aside, I wish randys1 Jun 2014 #26
I think he is essentially telling them that lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #27
I don' believe anybody bullied... Bigmack Jun 2014 #5
Right, that HE would look weak randys1 Jun 2014 #8
I understand, but LBJ was not a person who allowed himself to be pressured. He passed the civil lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #13
I touched his leg,. Bobby, as he was standing on the back of a convertible randys1 Jun 2014 #30
Wow. I really think things would have been different if Bobby had a chance. Actually the country lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #34
So much trauma. LBJ was sworn into office with Jackie Kennedy in her bloody dress by his side: freshwest Jun 2014 #36
Sadly that is a good chronology lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #37
And we see a steady chorus about PBO being weak because he refuses to take on Bush's job. freshwest Jun 2014 #28
Well said randys1 Jun 2014 #31
I was lucky, I got called up for my physical but was able to get out because of high blood pressure lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #9
Yes, I remember Dan Rather with the body counts and a lot of coverage on Vietnam. freshwest Jun 2014 #32
I agree with your assessment. It still is being done in our name though lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #33
"Bullied"? I think it's called "assassinating his immediate predecessor." LBJ got the message. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #7
+1... freebrew Jun 2014 #11
Seems counter to his character Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #10
I think pressured is a better way to characterize it, not bullied randys1 Jun 2014 #12
This seems like a little bit of a history rewrite. Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #15
YOu can listen to the tapes, nothing rewriting about that, he was making a randys1 Jun 2014 #16
Ok, I'll bite Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #17
I heard what Thom played, Thom preceeded it with him randys1 Jun 2014 #18
Fair enough Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #19
Johnson was very very very concerned about his legacy. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #23
No one bullied Johnson. roamer65 Jun 2014 #20
Partly true, but far H2O Man Jun 2014 #21
PS: H2O Man Jun 2014 #22
John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam,'' sourced all that. Octafish Jun 2014 #39
Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2014 #41
If there's a hell, McNamara is there, and Kissinger is headed there the second he dies. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #24
Westmoreland too. lpbk2713 Jun 2014 #29
Obama is not being bullied. bigwillq Jun 2014 #25
72 hours after JFK's Death LBJ's Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #35
Sort of like JFK's admin was an interruption in service to the Dogs of War Inc. Octafish Jun 2014 #40
President Kennedy H2O Man Jun 2014 #42
You see this guy in the New York Times? Octafish Jun 2014 #43
I had not H2O Man Jun 2014 #44
The bricks at the back of the theater are showing. Octafish Jun 2014 #45
A strange man, H2O Man Jun 2014 #47
Wisdom. Octafish Jun 2014 #48
John Michael Dunn...the guy made general and left an oral history of his time in Saigon... Octafish Jun 2014 #49
Obama is smarter than Johnson Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #38
"Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" He wanted the anti-commie PR. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #46
maybe we should elect a president who won't be bullied. after all, he didn't let Doctor_J Jun 2014 #50
Good one...very good one...I am a fan of Obama but because I am a realist randys1 Jun 2014 #51
But you're saying Obama can be bullied into the corporate-friendly war, but not out of the Doctor_J Jun 2014 #52
The rightwing obstruction based solely on him being Black is unprecedented randys1 Jun 2014 #53
Then he should let someone else do the job Doctor_J Jun 2014 #54
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