Thomas Franks, the Clintons and "phony" Democratic populists in the New Gilded Age

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325. How they died is irrelevant to whether they were plutocrats when

they exercised power. The majority of all colonists lived AND died penniless. The Framers were way richer than most colonists and most of them did not even die penniless. A few of the more famous ones did, yes. But all the Framers are no longer household names. A wiki on the Framers exists. I recommend it.

And, those that died penniless or in debt, probably did so because they lived lavishly, beyond their considerable means. As I said, a slave was about the most valuable thing you could "own" then and, at one point, Jefferson had about 300, a few of his very own children among them. Then, that would have put him in Buffet territory today. However, he spent and spent.

Most of the Framers were not against slavery. Your post reads as though all or most of the Framers who Northerners who could not make the South knuckle under. However, representatives of the Southern colonies were very much part of the Framers. A couple of the most important, Jefferson and Washington, were slaveowners, as were most of the Southern contingent.

John Adams (Massachusetts, yeayyy) advocated against slavery, yes, but he caved. Moreover, I don't know how many of the Framers were like Adams. (BTW, the Founders were a larger group than the Framers. For example, neither Paul Revere nor John Hancock were Framers, but they were prosperous Founders, and, as to Hancock, another Buffet of his day.)

Flip the paradigm: How many poor tenant farmers or carpenters were among the Framers?

What they did went far beyond what had previously been done for a representative democracy

Which my post very clearly credited them with (but they almost did create another monarchy).

but you are critical because they didnt go farther.

Not really what I said. I said they were geniuses, could have given us a monarchy, but didn't, but they were not egalitarian. Bottom line: I have no reason to think they would have been unhappy with neoliberals.